and who are you to decide that the whole eve community should be in 1 and thesame timezone ?
If you have failed to organize your corp/alliance with a sufficient degree of timezone unity to have coordinated operations then you are just bad at EVE. Perhaps you should find a corp/alliance that doesnât suck?
why should the pvp side not deserve a nerf i can just say if it gets nerved the player base that is not as lazy would simply adept and find new ways
Man everyone rats in the system nextdoor of the camper. This bs about it being a PVE buff is just a cancers argument she uses over and over given no other reason exists for nerfing cloaking.
and on top of that the p[pl living in womholes have a very big advantage over pvpers that roam around they can roll theyr holes so they can literaly move around faster than any fleet can possibly move if theyr well organised
Because nerfs are something you do because something is overpowered and itâs a positive gameplay change, not to satisfy some arbitrary count of how many nerfs âeach sideâ has received. And PvP is not overpowered relative to PvE, good PvE players are succeeding so well that theyâre breaking the economy.
Again, if itâs not about PvE then why do the majority of anti-cloaking whines come from PvE farmers complaining about how an AFK cloaker is shutting down their farming? Why do you keep proposing changes where the only meaningful effect is to give those PvE farmers the safety increase they are begging for?
yes indeed fianly he gets the point
hanging afk cloakies with cynos all over eve IS OVERPOWERED
Why? 5 characters
Thatâs you stating that. I have no clue why your saying that PVE is buffed given no actual reason for it exists. Or you want to ignore that no reason exists? Spelling it out. No reasons exists for PVE null players to complain about campers. None, they can rat in the system over. Now please stop going in a loop.
very very simple eve you can udnerstand
cloakyn eyes without a cyno collect intel and disrupt local
cloaky afk camping alts with cynos give the ability to just drop out of the sky when ever
that IS overpowered sicne that is something that only the real big alliances can activly do and no im notb giving the names of wich alliances i know that activly do that
since i dont have to
look at afk mafia theyr all alts of 1 coalition and you know just as well as me wich coalition and evenc that theyr member count dropped theyr still there as perfect example
And yet 95% of anti-cloaking whines are coming from nullsec PvE famers, and every proposed cloaking nerf inevitably has a primary effect of giving those farmers the exact buff they are demanding while having little or no effect anywhere else.
At which point you say âhey guys, thanks for delivering us some expensive killmailsâ and kill their black ops fleet with your dedicated combat ships.
if they woudl only drop black ops fleet i would still say the are overpowered
IF ONLY but theyr not just for black ops fleet
Are you saying that the PVE farmers have something to complain about that canât be solved by going to the system over? Well Iâll be damned. Sounds like a non-problem. How odd you bring it up given the problem doesnât exist.
You do know that cyno jammers exist, right? If anything but a black ops fleet is getting in through that cyno its your fault for being in a renter trash alliance that canât even secure its system.
last thing im going to post today
let cyno capable ships not be able to fit a cyno
let the recon ships that can not cloak fit covert and normal cyno theyr already not visible on d scan
and yes they can die
a true horrorstory if a drop fails
well youre back at youre renter trash argument that dsnt make sense
JFC this is not complicated.
The reason I bring it up is that 95% of anti-cloaking whines come from nullsec farmers. Their complaints are entitled nonsense and should be rejected, but they still exist. And for all you claim to not support those complaints you keep arguing for changes that give the farmers exactly what they are begging for while accomplishing nothing else.
Am I saying buff null sec? Did you hear me say that? I want to kill cloaked ships. How the fk is that buff null sec in your head?
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It makes perfect sense.
Competent PvE groups are farming with PvP support standing by at all times that farming operations are happening and active cyno jammers that force any attempt to jump in a fleet to use fragile and expensive black ops ships. IOW, they understand that nullsec is a PvP area and take the initiative to protect their PvE operations. Cloaked camping is not a threat to them because any attempt to attack with the cloaked ship is just instant suicide, and the only question is how much ISK worth of lossmails they want to jump through that cyno.
Renter trash are acting like theyâre entitled to solo farm at any time, with no PvP support or cyno jammers or anything. They act like the fact that theyâre capable of defeating the NPCs should be sufficient and have zero ability to fight in PvP. Cloaking is something they whine endlessly about because their only response to a PvP threat is to dock until it goes away, and cloaking allows a name to stay in local indefinitely.
Because your proposal doesnât allow you to kill cloaked ships, it just prevents cloaked ships from staying logged in while AFK and makes local a more effective intel tool for PvE players.