Good point.
So instead of reporting and proving he is botting/cheating you amd your alliance use afk campers ahhh.
AFK Camping is just a lazy stupid but legit way to push Down adms of specific systems. But mostly hurt small Corps if they are not allowed to use more Systems.
Notice I said RMT bots and bot-like players. Some players are not actually botting, they just have zero skills and an obsession with PvE farming. So you get people who behave exactly like bots: farming compulsively in nullsec because it âpays the bestâ but having no concept of how to cope with PvP other than running away and docking any time a potential threat is in their system.
Itâs very clear that you are lobbying for a buff for those players, likely because you are one of them. You want to guarantee that an incoming threat appears on d-scan and gives you enough warning that you need to run away and dock before it can get to you because you have zero hope of winning a PvP fight.
Ahh okay i get youâŚa Rorquall is not like playing because he cant do anything for 5 min and The afk Camper has so much skill whatching d scan here an there and call on coms hey guy get The drop ready
And i forgot Super ratting The sameâŚbeing afk Camper you neeed so much skill whatching a super undock Follow where he is flying be there first and light up a cyno.
I hope you got the ironi.
Can i tell you a secret? An afk ratting dominix dont give a â â â â about campers. And these are the peopl you Where talking about. Multiple accs afk Farming and they dont mind afk campers.
The peopl afk campers hurt are the peopl playing actively.
And i tell you another thingâŚi dont mind afk campers too i earn my isk mostly not in my home system.
But i understand peopl waiting months and saving months for a super and can sometimes dont use it for a coupl weeks
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And why shoud i stay to fight if The other side had hours to prepare and jump on me with multiple caps?
A fair fight anyday but most normal peopl tend to not fight in a pve ship against multiple enemys Where The end of The fight is clear?
Because youâve also had hours to prepare and can counter-drop them with multiple caps of your own? This is the core of the issue, you arenât strong enough to win a PvP fight so you whine and cry on the forums and demand nerfs to anything that could disrupt your farming. Perhaps the answer is that you arenât entitled to solo capital farming 23/7 and should actually coordinate with some other players in a multiplayer game?
Not every alliance is big enough to hold multiple caps on standby.
Thats another issue but heyâŚlets Camp everyone till every little Corp and allaiance is on The point just joining one if The big ones and go the easy life of eve.
Dont you think it woud be much more easy for little Corps and allaiance to just join The big ones?
There you go so much fun pvp if no one is left to fight.
I think you dont get The fact that not everyone has a multi billion isk Capital umbrella to throw arround.
And guess what small guys are part of eve too.
And you are right we cant fight something like this but i guess afk campers just stay there knowing that. If you take a look in The deep Systems ofâŚlets say goonsâŚthere are The afk isk farmers knowing there are multiple supers ready to jump.
You use the therm âafk isk farmersâ and stuff just to excuse to search for cheap and easy fight.
And btw i am flying 90% of my time subcaps and earning more isk. Solo Cap Farm is boring After 1h.
Then not every alliance gets to succeed. This is something you apparently donât understand but itâs a core part of EVE: failure is always an option.
But but but⌠
I thought everyone is a winner
So this thread is way too long to try and find anything. Iâm curious how many players have posted their first hand accounts of dying to an AFK cloaker?
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None, you cannot actually be killed by a ship that is cloaked, especially if the pilot is afk.
This thread is about people who are afraid to undock unless they are alone in a system.
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Ok let me rephrase. Are there any first hand accounts of people getting killed as a result of an AFK cloaker that was in system?
In both of the situations you describe here, the cloaker does not appear to be AFK. He seems very active to me, getting eyes on target⌠following target ships⌠chatting on coms⌠lighting cynoâsâŚ
So your argument to nerfing all cloaks, is that small alliances should be left in piece and not attacked in 0-Sec because they are too small to defend themselves, but still want to farm a 0-sec system.
Yea obviosly if he gets one he is not afkâŚ
As i said before i dont mind them.
But for example a year and a half ago we had a war Situation and at our corp Systems we had so called âafkâ campers.
After war i had a Chat with him, a nice Person, he told me his allaiance paid him isk to set up âafk campersâ.
He is doing home Office and as long as his pc was running all our Systems had that guy in it.
He said he was randomly looking at dscanâŚevery 1 2 3 h sometimes active sometimes not even once in 12h. He was going shopping or cinema or for a Drink on we stayed logged in and if he got back a quick look and back to sleep.
But our caps got regular hot drops and Cap drops in The face. Until no one did anything in our Systems. Some Corp mates Where gone some as me adopt and made our isk another way.
But in my eyes a camper 23h logged in and only 1 to 4 h Hunting is an afk camper.
It is more what it does in your had. Of course you can do your things but it is always that guy in there who perhaps is whatching.
And if that Situation is there for like 2 month everyone woud complain.
And again i dont mind them, but i just understand The average peopl that dont have billions in caps to jump on anything.
Edt.: and i dont say not AttackedâŚeveryone can still hunt like normal peopl and Drop but set up Dozen of afk campers to generate content the lazy way is just not healthy for The game.
Dont get me wrong I do not support AFK CLoaking, but I do very much oppose nerfing cloaks as a solution.
My solution was along the lines of remove cloaked vessels from Local⌠but deny them local/Dscan while they are cloaked.
This makes AFK Cloak camping usless
It makes Cloaks really cloakie
Cloaked vessels need to uncloak if they want intel.
Residents have to be active to spot these vessels when they do drop cloak for intel.
(I have to admit i dont have much experience with cyno) but something similar to the targeting delay when dropping cloak could be applied.
Yea something like that that dont effect ânormal huntingâ but shuts Down 24/7 afk staying in System and randomly pop a cyno.
Like staying cloaked for over 20min disables cyno. To activate it again you need to uncloake for 10 min.
CovertOps Cyno not affected.
Eve is a competitive game. It doesnât have to let you and your buddies survive in null.
If you are constantly oppressed in null. Perhaps your alliance would be more productive in another area of space. AFK cloaking is unfortunately necessary because of the ridiculous amounts of resources being produced in null.
Weâre certainly not going to break cloaking gameplay for the rest of the game and allow the industrial giants that are null blocks an even easier life so that an Alliance that doesnât belong in the most competitive area of space can stay.
You guys need to think about where the best place to live is. Null with afk cloaking, or else where.
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Funny to hear that from a guy clearly is not involved in 0.0 gameplayâŚ
Anyway againâŚi am not talking about me i dont care about them. But i see why other peopl do and i have the same opinion about them.
If youâd done some research youâd see Iâve been there-done-that.
Still doesnât change what Iâve said though. Your alliance canât cut it. So youâre asking for it to be made easy enough so you can. To hell with cloaky gameplay and to hell with the economy. As long as itâs just easy enough for you and your mates to live in null.
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And again i dont mind afk cloakers i make my isk anyway. If there is war or afk cloakers or roams or whsâŚi do my thing and making more than supers.
And in my opinion afk cloaker do not affect miners at all just go one System ahead and camp The gate and you can use productionstations anyway (only if all Systems are camped it affect industry) it is just a lazy way to push adms or wait till the afkler founds one or two targets a week. And small Corps with only few Systems are The ones got hurtâŚ
The big industry Blocks give a â â â â about campers ^^
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So all The talk about âit is to push industry downâ is bullcrap because The big blocks dont care. It only hurts new and small groups. Not The big ones
Sure sure.
So why is it that when big groups deploy against eachother they tell their cloaky campers to move in?
And thats against goons as well.
So you are STILL arguing;
âlets make null less competitive and easier to farm for everyoneâ.
How donât you get it yet?