I understand. I have some buried comments in this thread as well, mostly from right before the blackout that made this thread temporarily useless. If I feel like it I may look through them later.
Agreed.
Try something like this: [Purifier, Purifier Cyno] Damage Control II Reinforced Bulkheads II Reinforced Bulkheads II 5MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive Warp Scrambler II Warp Disruptor II Covert Cynosural Field Generator I Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Small Transverse Bulkhead II Small Transverse Bulkhead II Liquid Ozone x200
Are you saying that CovOps isnāt dangerous?
(If they bring the right tool for the job, any ship can be dangerous)
I know how cloaks work, thank you. That cloak targeting delay also is present for covops cloaks by the way, except on certain hulls.
What is funny for me that you writing in the Forum with your alt.
Tells me that you either are afraid that someone can come do the things you say are fine to you or you either are trash and wont want to let people know that you just talk without knowledge how such afk guys play out on the Server and just guessing.
Or your killboard is just full of those Kills that inbolve afk campers and you do not want your gameplay changed.
Thats fine tho but funny.
We had that one kill here (was funny tho) Where the cyno was logged off and someone (i got to search it was not my Corp and Ally KB is bigā¦) jumped on a beacon with his Rorqual just to dock and go off.
System had a camper in it with a unkown ship.
He prepaired a web alt to quickly warp off.
Turned out that camper was a saber cloaked right next to the beacon.
He got bubbled arazu logged in above them on a Spot light up cyno 3 super came through and killed him.
So the camper was there 23/4 and did nothing but log in right After dt so no one was there to see him and as he told in a little convo just let is laptop run for 3 days just so we get used to himbe there but doing nothing.
And on the 4th day they invested 2h of time to get content.
Really greate to be afk and do nothing in at least on activity in game.
As i said i dont care i make my isk and can pay my stuff but that gameplay part of eveā¦i just dont like it. And my Feeling is at least if you had to do one Action every hour to stay cloaked the enemy part woud have worked for that kill.
And if you like to harraze and hunt botters how about using the sandbox.
Create a Corp with afk campers that people knew they woud only hunt documented bots and nothing else.
As soon as botts ingnore you you can get all those bott Kills ans report em to ccp.
I have a Feeling that woud be greate for you as you are so focused on that rmt botts in every Post.
Sounds like they did work for that kill. Seems like a sound tactic.
A sabre isnāt covert, so it canāt warp cloaked. It can barely move cloaked. So first he would have had to get into the system and in place without being spotted. Then every morning when he logged in he would have to wait until he finished his warp to the beacon and cloak up, again without being seen.
Then he had to patiently wait for 3 days in order to let people āget used to himā That is 3 days of his account completely tied up with this āwaitingā activity. That means he couldnāt use that entire account for anything else.
Then according to your post they spent an additionaly 2 hours getting the team in place to hopefully catch a target.
I dunno, that sounds like it is working as intended.
I donāt like people who chew food with their mouth open, but I donāt go on hour long crusades on a forum complaining about them. It annoys me, and I donāt like it, but I accept that they can eat food how they want.
Just like how AFK campers can play the game the way they want.
All I can see is this boiling down to you feeling like youāre entitled to have control over the way someone else plays the game. If you donāt like it, they donāt deserve their playstyle. Why?
The answer to āwhy do people AFK cloaky campā is pretty simple. CCP has not given players a way to influence a systemās ADM.
More krabbing in a system means higher ADM. Which makes it more difficult to attack the sov of that system since the timers increase in duration based on ADM.
By Cloaky Camping, you can scare away the locals so that the system sees less activity. By reducing activity, you reduce the ADM. This makes it easier to attack the sov of the system. While at the same time, demoralizing your opponent.
So not only do you win in-game (by reducing ADMs) you also win out-of-game (by reducing morale of your opponents).
I dont complain i just say i dont like it and i woud like to see a change.
For the adm tho.
Two things.
First why shoud i be able to push adms Down with no effort while it takes active gameplay to get it up.
Secondly by your saying that afk cloaked campers dont effect propperly knowledged people in 0.0 your argument with adms is Invalid to adms if you say the dont affect active Players that know what they do
Or with other wird in ,our opinion litterly every 0.0 ally is Unkowladged because afk campers have an impact on adms if used at war.
So they dont only have impact on your rmt botts but active Players too which you said above.
So an Ally thats attacking can push adms Down with no effort at all just with the presence and the Posibilitiy to drop is fine but you have to be active to push it up.
I dont have issues with them. They dont hinder my gameplay.
But that does not mean i am fine with how it plays out thats just my opinion that that needs a change.
Iāve yet to see you provide anything in support of needing a change. Especially since all youāve been talking about is how little it impacts you and how little you care.
āIt doesnāt bother meā
āI donāt careā
āI donāt like itā
None of these are compelling reasons for a change to the mechanic.
That adds nothing to the conversation. I see we circle arround in this conversation.
If it woud be obviosly true that all is fine with afk cloak gameplay i woud doubt that topic woud be alive to this date.
We have the guys that like it.
We have the guys that hate it.
And we have i dont care people.
It up on ccp to change something.
I respect your opinion despite i think you are closing the eye and not see the whole picture.
All i can say is if i add no reason why it need a change.
Can you tell me your reasons it shoud stay as it is and why it shoud be able to log in 23.45 H a day and do nothing but staying in a hostile System.
And why it shoud not be in the slightest be a bit of a active thing to do in a one hour Period?
Why does CCP need to change something?
The burden is on people who DONāT like it to show why the status quo should be changed. You can do this with facts and evidence, maybe some analysis of what the problem is.
The fact that 3 groups of people just exist (some people like it, some people donāt, some people donāt care) does NOT automatically mean that CCP needs to change anything. Those three groups of people will exist no matter what. But for people who WANT a change to the status quo, itās on those people to provide compelling reasons for why it should be changed.
Because this is a video game, Iām allowed to play that way, and I will play that way.
Why do you feel entitled to tell me how Iām supposed to play the game?
I thought you said you didnāt care. If you donāt care, then why are you trying to change the way I play a video game?
Okay is see you are fine with it because thats how the game works.
So if ccp decided to change it it woud be okay for you because it is a Video game and you play as you allowed to play by the devs.
And the gamedeveloper shoud be entiteld enough i Think.
Yeah. This has always and will forever be my stance.
You can go through my post history for every single patch that CCP has pushed through. Iāve held myself to the same standard of āadapt or dieā.
Youāre not a developer for CCP.
So I donāt see why you should feel entitled to change the way I play EVE Online.
We wonāt, (as evidenced by this thread), but you can hold your breath and tell me how that goes.
Iām going to go ahead and save you a whole lot of future typing. Cloaking has been this way since day 1. This thread has been going on for years now. Itās NOT going to changeā¦
