…I … am not going to solve anything. I never even said my ideas would surely solve problems.
I just offered some ideas for thought. And they are open to criticism.
You do have a point. There are programs that generate fake clicks. But 1) its a hurdle some won’t get over. and 2) if the program is not set to be random then an obvious and potentially bannable pattern will emerge.
You don’t live in null do you? they afk like 15 systems , and they drop cynos when not afk. You can’t be sure when he is afk or not. so because of that it DOES disrupt some activities, or somewhat make them less effective. if the guy must be at KB I don’t give a dam it’s content, but then he logs 15 accounts , disrupts a lot of ppl and is not even playing the game.
Think you are the dumbass here. No align will save you from a cloaky bomber that drop a cyno
Good luck doin that 23/7
Not that I ever cared about where your risk was in the first place but:
Its under threat from rats and the player in question when he or she is actually online playing. You never actually were at risk from an AFK pilot obviously. But you are denied that vital out-of-game information and that’s BS.
Literally no one, not even the players I despise, should ever be forced to factor into their decisions a player who is yards or maybe even miles away from their keyboard. It is a totally out of game tactic being abused for in game effect.
Its so wrong its not even really a question if its wrong. The only question is if it can be combatted in a meaningful way.
That said I need to add to my earlier idea and say in the context of that idea, that any player that is identified as possibly being afk should get both a visual and audio warning or two to avoid being logged out/ warped to a station. It could even be in the form of Aura asking if the pilot is having a medical emergency and to respond or she will take emergency action.
It can take just as long for ships to come through the cyno and load grid as it would for the attacker to lock you and hit scram. Both can be avoided if you are on the ball and staying aligned. Learn to play better
Oh I’ve been wanting to dust this classic off for awhile.
I don’t have to do it 24/7. I just have to do it when I want to rat.
Well you should. The game necessitates risk with reward.
The risk from rats is negligible. They entire design purpose is to be a piñata for players to pop. Not an actual threat. How many ships have you lost to rats in 2020?
As for the bolded part, I’ve just demonstrated to you in my post above that i can tell whether the cloaker is active or not with an accuracy within 10 minutes.
If i scan a system and he doesn’t appear; i know the cloaker has been active within the last 10 minutes. I know that i shouldn’t undock. And i just keep checking every ten minutes.
Do you understand?
It’s as much an out of game tactic as stealing or scams. It’s like smacktalking your opponent into doing something stupid.
It is necessary to remove the certainty that the enemy is there or not. If the ratters know the enemy is around they won’t undock and their ratting ships will never be at risk. And that’s just unsustainable. There must be risk.
It can. Blackout stopped afk cloaking.
Local is the route cause of afk cloaking. So any nerf to cloaks will also involve a nerf to local.
Are you intentionally trying to mislead, or just ignorant?
Ratting and mining while AFK = BOTTING
Cloaking while AFK is nothing, no action is taken, nothing can be done.
Y don’t need to bot to AFK ratting, looks like you don’t know what you talking about
But wait, I thought you were whining about AFK players? Now you’re complaining that active players are able to disrupt your PvE farming?
Think you are the dumbass here. No align will save you from a cloaky bomber that drop a cyno
No, you’re the dumbass. If you are already aligned then you instantly warp out, which means that if you react fast enough you are guaranteed to enter warp before the bomber can lock you. Perhaps instead of whining on the forums you should work on your evasion skills and reflexes?
No. What’s BS is your absurd belief that you are entitled to this information. You aren’t, just like you’re not entitled to information like “is this player in a fleet and ready to warp/cyno in reinforcements” or “is there a combat recon on d-scan”. The fact that you are unable to do PvE farming without certainty that no threats are present is not a problem that needs to be fixed.
Not sure if you are dumb or trying hard to be one. He can be AFK or not. You can’t tell untill he decloaks and point you,cause he is in a BOMBER. Plz open any bomber traits and info and take a read. You know what COVERT OPS cloaks are? take a read too.
But you’re complaining about AFK players disrupting your activities. If you are so sure that AFK players are responsible then clearly you have some way of knowing that they are AFK, in which case you have no excuse for allowing the disruption.
Or are you now changing your story to admit that you merely assume that these players are AFK?
Mate think you never gone to nullsec, you are making a lot of effort to don’t understand things, really. they are AFK , cause no one plays 23-24/7 and you can’t tell when he is not untill you got dropped. If you don’t get this plz don’t even reply ,go ask someone else.
Then you shouldn’t be disrupted by them. They’re AFK, ignore the name in local.
you can’t tell when he is not
Then how do you know they are AFK while you’re hiding in station?
It’s necessary that you don’t know until it’s too late.
Otherwise you’d know exactly when it’s safe to rat and when it’s not safe. Obviously this is shouldn’t be the case.
as i Said , you try real hard to be stupid, ask someone else, I awnsered that stuff allready.
No, you just whined about how you’re 100% certain that a player is AFK but also don’t know if they’re AFK. It’s Schrödinger’s ship: AFK when you need to whine about AFK cloaking, not AFK when you need to whine about how you’re hiding in station and unable to farm.
Also you ignored the fact that your claim about it being impossible to escape from a bomber is false. I’ll take this as your concession that you are just too lacking in PvP skill to understand how this all works.
This answer right here
The counter to AFK cloaking takes work and effort. Just as @Daichi_Yamato points out, and obviously does in his system. Nothing worthwhile is ever easy.
Case in point…This morning I’m in a system with a couple other people in local. One ratter with 5.0 status and one not so nice person with -1.9. I scan down 4 Sansha relic sites in the system and while doing so the carebear leaves local.
Not it’s just me, Mr. Not-So-Nice and 4 relic sites. 4! No one showing up on d-scan, no one home in any of the player owned structures, and no stations in the system. So someone is out here with me, cloaked up like me. What do I do to counter this potential AFK cloaker? I can’t tell if they are AFK or VMAK (Very much at keyboard)
Hop over to Zkill, clickety click. OH! A sabre pilot with a lot of Astero and explorer kills. Most solo. Find a loss of his sabre…he fits an improved cloak. Means he can’t warp cloaked, I can see him coming on d-scan. He also fits a couple scrams and and interdiction probe launcher.
Now if I knew he was AFK I could just hack all the sites, and laugh my way to the next system. Or I could try one site, and hope it’s not the site he’s camping so that I can see him coming and GTFO.
I warp to the best site at 100km, decloak and MWD away to see if I can draw him out. No luck. In the end I hop into the next 4 systems, all alone in local and hack 4 sites in relative safety.
Problem solved.
Actually there never was a problem to begin with.
Just found my new ship name. Thank you! o7
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