Main AFK cloaky thread

[Solstice_Projekt]

Thanks!

[Skriven_Penshar]

No problem. It was a well thought out and worded response.

[safira_jomita]

@Merin_Ryskin

No, you just whined about how you’re 100% certain that a player is AFK but also don’t know if they’re AFK

No I said he is AFK for a time, as nobody plays 24/7, and you can’t tell when he comes to KB

@Merin_Ryskin

when you need to whine about how you’re hiding in station and unable to farm.

I farm anyway, we rather fly cheap or coming fleets, as I stated before and you failed miserably to understand, is I’m not against the guy camp the whole region 24/7 and make our lives harder, but yes DOING IT AFK MOST OF THE TIME, now if you still don’t get it, print this text and keep reading it until you get it

[Ridley_Rohan]

@Daichi_Yamato

If i scan a system and he doesn’t appear; i know the cloaker has been active within the last 10 minutes. I know that i shouldn’t undock. And i just keep checking every ten minutes.

Do you understand?

Yeah. I understand that you will not undock for very long as long as the cloaky player remains actually playing the game as you are. If he wants to keep you stuck in station he should have to match your endurance.

I think the problem between us is I always think what is fair vs. what is BS, and you and the Devs I suppose have goals you want to accomplish and don’t care if complete and utter BS solves it, its all fine to you.

But back to risk. You say there must always be risk. What is the cloaky AFK player’s risk? He has none. And he rests easy knowing that. You have no idea if you are at risk or not. And this is pure cheese of real life invading the game in a ridiculous way.

So you may or may not have risk and don’t know when but the AFK player has zero risk for long periods and nows exactly when. It may accomplish a goal but its BS and by your own standard of risk, it doesn’t work, UNLESS its only certain people you want to have risk, then it works great.

[Ridley_Rohan]

@ISD_Bahamut

Removed a couple of off-topic/non-constructive threads - please remember that constructive posts works both ways.

Well I don’t know how this one got missed. I flagged it.

@Merin_Ryskin

Your poor quality post would like to disagree with this claim.

[Ridley_Rohan]

@Merin_Ryskin

No. What’s BS is your absurd belief that you are entitled to this information. You aren’t, just like you’re not entitled to information like “is this player in a fleet and ready to warp/cyno in reinforcements” or “is there a combat recon on d-scan”.

Two totally different things there. One is totally in game, and the other is half in and half out. In a perfect world, no one should ever have to doubt if an undocked pilot has a human there running it or not. Its not “information”. its a question of fair play. Of course its not a perfect world but that does not mean we just say “Ah screw it all and everybody do whatever.” We do what we can.

[Merin_Ryskin]

@safira_jomita

No I said he is AFK

Then he is zero threat and you can ignore him.

I’m sorry if it’s inconvenient for you that you don’t get an automatic “THERE IS AN ACTIVE THREAT” warning that guarantees plenty of time to dock up before anyone can catch you but your lack of skill is not a game issue that needs to be fixed.

@Ridley_Rohan

You say there must always be risk.

No, there must be risk proportional to reward. AFK cloaking only has zero risk when it produces zero reward. And that is balanced just fine.

@Ridley_Rohan

In a perfect world, no one should ever have to doubt if an undocked pilot has a human there running it or not.

Define “there”. Exactly how many key presses or mouse clicks per minute are required to count as being “there”? Are you considered “there” if you are at your PC but watching a movie with most of your attention?

And why is being AFK “unfair”? The tactic is equally available to all players and quite easy to negate.

[safira_jomita]

@Merin_Ryskin

Then he is zero threat and you can ignore him.

I’m sorry if it’s inconvenient for you that you don’t get an automatic “THERE IS AN ACTIVE THREAT” warning that guarantees plenty of time to dock up before anyone can catch you but your lack of skill is not a game issue that needs to be fixed.

KEEP reading the text I said mate, maybe you get it by Xmas

[Merin_Ryskin]

I read it. It’s nonsense. Learn to be better at EVE and you won’t get shut down by an AFK player.

[Skriven_Penshar]

@Ridley_Rohan

You never actually were at risk from an AFK pilot obviously. But you are denied that vital out-of-game information and that’s BS.

Have you tried talking to the cloaky guy? If they answer there’s your answer.

@Ridley_Rohan

Its so wrong its not even really a question if its wrong. The only question is if it can be combatted in a way that completely nerfs cloaks for everyone that uses them for things other than AFK camping, so it makes it safer for scared farmers to pew pew rats.

I just made your point clearer

@Ridley_Rohan

What is the cloaky AFK player’s risk? He has none.

We’ve been over this before

Here’s what I’m go to do from now on when I go AFK and am cloaked somewhere.
On my Bio I’ll post a notice:

“Sorry I’m not home right now. I have other important things to do at the moment besides watching stars and stuff. Until I return continue your botting farming”

[Ridley_Rohan]

@Merin_Ryskin

No, there must be risk proportional to reward.

I wasn’t talking to YOU. Tell it to HIM. I quoted HIM, cause its not MY contention.

[Ridley_Rohan]

[quote=" Skriven Penshar, post:6941, topic:4731"]
a way that completely nerfs cloaks for everyone that uses them for things other than AFK camping, so it makes it safer for scared farmers to pew pew rats.
[/quote]

I never said anything remotely like that or suggested it either. And with that, I am done with you already.

[safira_jomita]

@Merin_Ryskin

I read it. It’s nonsense. Learn to be better at EVE and you won’t get shut down by an AFK player.

Keep reading… Y can do it!! BTW I’m not shutdown, stop making assumptions.

[Merin_Ryskin]

@safira_jomita

BTW I’m not shutdown

Then what’s your problem? If this is true then you’ve just admitted that AFK cloaking can be overcome and doesn’t need any changes.

[safira_jomita]

@Merin_Ryskin

Then what’s your problem? If this is true then you’ve just admitted that AFK cloaking can be overcome and doesn’t need any changes.

Why so binary? it must be shutdown or active? it is reduced by a great level to a guy who is not even at KB most of the time.

[Skriven_Penshar]

@Ridley_Rohan

I never said anything remotely like that or suggested it either. And with that, I am done with you already

You did when you suggested putting timers on cloaks/modules if someone doesn’t click something. That is a nerf to cloaks. That’s a nerf to anyone who wants to just sit in space and chill out. I will agree that when I am cloaked in a good safe spot I am pretty much untouchable. But then I also can’t touch anything or do anything or attack anything. I can watch. I can spy. I can just sit there and make other people worry about what I could potentially do to them.
How is that a bad thing? If I had a system in nullsec that I owned it would bother me. But I’d either gather as much intel on the pilot as possible then make a decision as to what to do to counter the threat or I’d tuck tail and hide. “The Highland way” as they said in Braveheart.
Not to beat a dead horse, but a cloaky camper can be countered. It just may not be easy. If you want easy run level 1 missions in HS.
Cloaks do not need to be fixed. Nullsec is not your private server

[Merin_Ryskin]

@safira_jomita

Why so binary?

Because either you’re undocked and active or you aren’t. There’s no state where half your ship is hiding in station and the other half is out doing PvE. If you aren’t forced to dock up and shut everything down then you admit that it’s possible to counter AFK cloaking and no changes are needed.

[safira_jomita]

@Merin_Ryskin

Because either you’re undocked and active or you aren’t. There’s no state where half your ship is hiding in station and the other half is out doing PvE.

Holy ■■■■ you indeed have trouble reading… It was not about being undocked, but about do it effectively.

[Merin_Ryskin]

@safira_jomita

It was not about being undocked

Of course it was. If you are undocked and farming then you have overcome the AFK cloaking, end of discussion.

[Ridley_Rohan]

@Skriven_Penshar

You did when you suggested putting timers on cloaks/modules if someone doesn’t click something. That is a nerf to cloaks.

NO, it is ABSOLUTELY NOT a nerf to cloaks, anymore than having to type in a password is a nerf to playing EVE, or a nerf to cloaks. Or having to turn on the module is a nerf to cloaks. Cloaks will work exactly the same. What changes is being AFK. But you cannot even say being AFK got nerfed cause its not an in game item.