but they slashed PI stuff volume by half 
so you can cram twice as much into the hauler now, so that counts as boost 
And added 3 or more different items to BPâs just to manufacture stuffâŚ
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It seems that their philosophy has gone wrong and they are attempting to achive an impossible balance. I mean some thing will always be lucrative. At the moment its gas mining afaik. If they nerf that then something else will eventually become the lucrative thing. But they cant help themselves i guess. Just like how i cant help myself from posting on this forum
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Right of course. My point was I wanted to see why @Rocket_Hellfire said that every playstyle is ISK negative. In two posts before this Thatâs it lol. 
Or why people say, âthe ore I mine is free.â
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People seem to be a bit confused about the nature of CCPâs ânerfs.â They think theyâre due to some kind of misanthropic desire to hurt their player base, as opposed to desperate necessity.
When the game was created, and for the first few years of its existence, it was finely tuned to support a progressive, loss-based economy. The difference between then and now, however, is that players back then would mine for a few hours and then join an anticipated fleet in order to go find fights or fight for space, while today they mine for a few hours, followed by a few more hours of mining, and finish off their âgamingâ session with a few posts on the forums or Reddit about how there isnât enough mining and that mining income is too low.
If all you do is grind PvE all day, and are dissatisfied with your income and/or the difficulty inherent to sustaining it, there are two things you should do to find some clarity about EVEâs economic reality:
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Look inwards to yourself and at least try to evaluate your desires from an impartial observerâs perspective.
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Blame whatever public education system you were a part of for not providing a course on rudimentary economics.
Thereâs a third thing (getting into a ship with guns and trying to go and blow something up), but if that directive still had even a snowballâs chance in hell of being respected in 2023, we wouldnât be in this mess to begin with.
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You can easily make 300 million playing just a few hours each day as a new alpha.
For example; Mining kernite in 0.4 low security system. 4166 kernite per 20 minutes is 12 million per hour. assuming you know how to watch Dscan, you shouldnât lose any ships. 2 drones will clear most of the rats. Even if you managed to lose a ship per hour you can still net 11 million per hour. Thus 10 million per day times 30 days is 300 million. EZPZ.
I think new players tend to fall into the false idea they should start PvP on day one. When they should mine ore and sell at market, work those career missions, AIR, and train skills. Instead they are buying 15 million ISK ships and losing them to PvP because they are seriously misinformed.
Eleven cents ($0.11). Thatâs how much that would be making per hour. And I even used the more economical 1,000 PLEX package in the calculation.
You should be going for fiery kernite.
He didnât ask about Plex, he asked how he made 240 million ISK in 30 days.
I mine gas in my wormhole. I am a bit more advanced.
Thatâs great, but I wasnât responding to them; I was responding to you, and breaking down your advice to engage in (and letâs try not to delude anyone here about this) menial labor for eleven cents an hour.
Really? You donât play this game for fun? Are you telling us you work this game? That is just sad to not experience any enjoyment from video games. Then you also said, buy Plex and are we to assume you pay cash for omega? Then now you are not only working for but paying CCP to work for their free to play game. If you are grinding for Plex, then I really hope you gain some kind of enjoyment factor for all your hard work. I only wish I had 50 employees just like you. Pay me for the shovel, today I am going to show you how to mine coal!
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Whoosh.
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Same thing, Im scanned all night and got only 100 milllions.
Dudes says me they have same moneys for the 15 minutes.
This is prettyy skill dependent game and this is frustrated me.
im a crab player.Im will going more pay for omega for good mining ship for have safe way for make good money for exeprimntations.Its also will help me if im lose ship - i will always have money for come back.
Im lose 2 mealstroms, going for poor man on a frigate and this is was pain.
Its true - dont use ships here u cant lose them with no pain
My dudeâŚ
IMO: The quicker we can get newbros out there shooting stuff the more likely said newbros will stick with the game.
Telling newbros to get out there and mine in their minimum skilled ventures is not, i feel, going to be a good way to get them to hang around.
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Join a decent corporation. You will be making all sorts of isk, getting in all sorts of fights, or whatever it is you are looking for.
Hmmm definitely tried this but didnât get what I needed!
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Yeah donât agree. Making isk in eve is not hard.
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Never said making isk was hard, years ago it was quick, now itâs been turned into a major time sink.
Couldnât agree more. I do not believe anyone joins Eve in the first place solely to spend their entire time mining. People are joining a PvE/PvP combat game, and mining is a means to an endâŚnot the end. The trouble is people get taken down the mining path, and next thing you know you get âIâm a minerââŚand that is all they are, doing nothing but mining. If youâd asked those same people before they joined Eve if theyâd like to play a game that consists of nothing but sitting there watching a mining laser all dayâŚmost would say â hell, noâ.