Margin Trading helped the little guy, removing it was such a mistake. I have enough 100b’s to cover all my orders now that I’ve worked my way up, but damn I would have never made even 100b without it. Such a shame for new traders and literally 0 effect on moguls.
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I’ve been trading for about 16 months and made an overall profit of 340b
about 100 of that is cought up in the market (stock, escrow and sell orders), about 110 is in various assets over my accounts, and a bunch of the rest went into skill injectors (I know, hate on me)
But I could keep my actual trading wallet under 5b most of the time (i usually had enough to buy the 5 most expensive orders)
there was no need to hoard isk before this change
I could cover 70b in buy orders with an escrow of 22b and 5b in my wallet
removing margin trading was THE WORST decision they could have ever made
hate in how big the fee is as much as you want, that was worse
It has 0 effect on you and me. Keeping 20b in your wallet is insignificant. You don’t need to keep your retained earnings below 10% of net profits to grow your business, but small traders do.
It has though
because I had no need to hoard isk, so I didnt do it
I always either reinvested it into something, or bought ships, and blew stuff up
and then the change hit, and I was stuck with just over 3b in my wallet (I kinda went on a buying spree before the patch, because I didn’t know about it, I was away for most of feburary, and I just got into Dreads/ capitals, so I drained my funds to the bare minimum to sustain trading)
without the change to margin trading, this would have a much smaller impact on me
Is the hud change to deaspace module having the same green icon as faction modules intended?
Yeah I love how they eliminated 0.01 price changes because… reasons, and now ideal strategies revolve around millions of micro-managed micro-orders. No way bots will be used to handle those, no siree.
general feedback on known issues I’m letting you know that I’m getting in the game pretty easily. But when the game crashes. I’m still faced with even that and when I turn my shift in in the Sun it just freezes everything just stops moving. So I hope I don’t get in trouble with this post cuz it’s exactly what’s going on. I’m okay with Eve online I like it. But turn your ship in the sun like I do and it just freezes nothing moves and then you’re curing everything else working the sound. But you can’t move. Not even worked out of the solar system or the mining asteroids.
Deadspace should still have their usual icons as far as I’m aware. If you’re seeing otherwise put in a bug report for us and let us know which modules you’re seeing this with - we’ll check on that for you.
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what’s the size of the patches last file? I’m on “7/8” for a long while now, and the progress bar is still on about 15% … my router means about 4GB done, so proably another 20GB to come?
Is the patch really so big ?
To all those threatening to go outside right now:
Whaaaaaa? And hang out with COVID-19. No no no, you stay indoors, you stay right there, and you… find something else to do in EVE now, k. ;D
Pretty much, well said.
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I hate the market changes, they are counter intuitive and start to fly away from what a real market is. Talking of Eve to people I have Always been proud to say that Eve had the best game market I have ever seen in a game. As I work in Finance, it’s obvious to me. This maket has Something unique in gaming. And remember how it was created… with professionals. So why would you change Something that works so well ??? It makes no sense. When you have botters, you Don’t change the game rules, you find the bots and ban them.
I am not against the deletion of the trade margin, I never used it and Always found it a nest for scammers rather than a real tool (and I apologize for the handful few that were using it correctly), I mean this proves again that the market was very close to reality, may be too close in this case. So ok RIP trade margin.
The limit of 0.1 isk … ok you want to change that, why not, not necessary, not called by anyone but ok. A best it will limit the offer and people will think twice before setting up a price. Am I happy about it ? Hell no, why should it be regulated… since when you want to regulate Eve players, isn’t Null sec the essence of it ?
The relist tax is a complete nightmare. i have been trading (selling mainly) things in Jita and in 0.0 with orders and you NEED to be able to relist easily and cost effective for several reasons. People that want a fast market Don’t just want to make profit out of it, they need a turn over of the money fast so that it’s invested at another place. An industry Builder generally has good trading skills because once he produced a large amounts of things, he needs to sell them to then buy more components to build new ones, we cannot wait months for our orders to clear… Having a market that becomes slower (the number of time a ISK change hands on a day) makes the whole EVE Economy to go down the same way. Get again real professionals of markets/economy with you before even thinking of touching the markets. (and by the way why to try to make rich station owner even more rich while doing Nothing ?)
An ISK sink is not Something to create at this level, the isk sink should be at the very base of the income . The NPC values, the minerals refining rate, that kind of things will force a player to play more to get the same amount of income so before creating the sink, make the Stream of income smaller and stop crying.
Last Reason to keep modifying orders at very low cost, I also used to change orders that would not sell after some time to extend the period. Now I will just let them die, leaving less choice for buyers on the markets.
By the sum of these changes, you are Killing a profession that has been quite silent since the beginning Simply because it was working well. Killing bots by Killing traders is nonsense. And by the way when you have a big stash of Something, it’s normal to change your order so many times… if you really want to avoid that change the 5 minutes CD to 1 hour for example. It will kill all benefits of these bots behaviours
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It’s easier to stockpile in EVE right now than it is to stockpile certain items IRL…
Those of you who have made your homes and livelihoods in the Low Security (Lowsec) star systems of New Eden are to be commended - and rewarded - for your loyalty to this way of life. The Loyalty to Lowsec update coming on 24 March will provide a thrilling climax to the Fight or Flight Quadrant, featuring a number of changes to Faction Warfare as well as other aspects of Lowsec adventuring that will bring fresh excitement and activity to these regions of New Eden.
This begins with increased Loyalty Point payouts for PvP kills made during Faction Warfare. At the same time, Loyalty Point payouts for Faction Warfare missions given by agents will be reduced
I am excited. Reduced payouts are the best rewards…ever! 
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yes,… if you have billions of isk lying around…
wich most people actually dont have
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maybe krabbing for isk is not the way I want to play a game…
maybe, I choose this way, because it is LITERALLY the only way that I could relibly make money, because I can spen 10 minutes every 3 hours, but dont have the time to sit in havens for hours on end
HECK YES
I didnt think of that, but its bleeping brilliant
also,… and i’m kinda ashamed I have to say this
the original broker fee for adjusting an order was just FAR to low… I mean - 100 isk???
Right now its just way to ■■■■■■■ high, but even changing it to 0.1% of the new order value would do a great deal as an isk sink…
if you really want to bring in a new skill to reduce the fee… start at 0.5% and have it be reduced by 20% with every level… it would go
base 0.5%
lvl_1 - 0.4%
lvl_2 - 0.32%
lvl_3 - 0.256%
lvl_4 - 0.204%
lvl_5 - 0.16%
That is a fee, that I could live with
I could still update my orders twice per day without loosing my entire profit to a completely unnecessary fee, and you’d have your isk sink
combine that with a longer adjustment time (maybe 15 minutes, but still allow to cancel an order if one makes a mistake before that time is over… there is still a high broker fee for setting up new order, or an old order again as a new one)
also,… thank you VERY much for forcing me into this ridiculousness…
great job, CCP
5 * 20% = 100% reduction.
making it (1 - ,2)^5 woud break with the logic that every other skill is using, so it would be stupid.
CCP doesnt want you to update your orders twice a day anymore. thats the point.
They want you to start at a competitive price, that will sell eventually.
So you just put 3 times the orders out, that you can adjust? that doesnt fix the problem, that they are wanting to fight.
If you where an active trader you had atleast 3 orders out anyways to fight the ,01 ISK fight. Depending on the item i would normaly roll with 5-10 orders.
EDIT: I know there is a lot of Keyboard Warrior in here, and sometimes i revert back to one myself, but before responding, please read the entire thing, I explain it fairly well… and I REALLY hate repeating myself
please excuse all the edits, I’m not a native english speaker, so I work on typos and phrasing to make it more understandable
depends on the way you do your math
what I meant and what I put the numbers up for is:
reduce 0.5% by 20%
you get 0.4% - reduce that by 20% (of itself)
you get 0.32% - and so on
if you’d have actually taken a look at the numbers I posted, you would have noticed… because that’s how all the skills in eve work that deal with such things
They want to get rid of the “updating every 5 minutes”… thats a long way to updating twice per day, and you still need that in order to have a working market
most people wouldnt…
what is happening now is far worse, because we are forced to make a ■■■■ ton of small volume orders.
before that, most traders had 1 order that they used… I used to cancel orders when I got a second or third items and redo it with the bigger stock because I didnt want to have to babysit so many orders (and I did that with items up to 500mil isk)
HOLY ■■■■, NO
being an active trader does not mean, that I have to have 3 market orders for every item
It just means, that I trade frequently to make a profit, and there were many ways to do it
I very rarely had 2 orders for the same item type, and if I had, it was for some super expensive item like a High-Grade implant or some X-Type Deadspeace thing upwards of 700iml isk… because at that point, canceling the open order and relisting it with a stack of 2 (somehting I did very frequently) gets far to expensive (because you’d pay the fee twice)
Its something I talked about in an earlier post…
this image of people babysitting orders, having multiple orders for an item, and updating the second they get outbid is what everyone tells you about when talking about the market… Its a bad image, nothing more, and its simply the one thing that everyone knows about the market, and projects onto the ENTIRE market, because you rarely hear about any other aspect of said market. Why talk about something that is perfectly well… its the dead space in a statistic.
its simply good. That means that noone is going to tell you that it actually is good, because it is not super awesome so that you’d be inclined to write about it, and you dont hear complaints about it, because it is not so bad, that you’d have the inclination to complain about it - its called survivorship bias, and its a phenomenon that you can observe whenever working with statistics
so you only hear about the 0.01 isking in the low end market, because thats the only thing people talk about it, and then that image gets prjected onto the ENTIRE MARKET (to better understand what suvivorship bias actually is, watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9WFpVsRtQg or look at the end, I’ll try to do a better job at explaining it there)
but its a very small portion of the market that actually works like that, and in that area, I’m not entirely sure if its bad
the 0.01 isking is only happening with the super high volume items that move hundreds of thousands units per day like ammunition, minerals, Moon Goo and basic T1/ T2 modules (plus skill injectors and plex)
and that is a very small portion of the market.
everywhere else, neither the 0.01 isking, nor the “3 stacks to be updated continuously to always stay on top” were a thing… maybe for 2 days of the month when someone got a bunch of them and really wanted to sell them… but it was a rarity
EDIT about Survivorship Bias —> and what it means for the eve market
I’ll explain it on an actual case, where the US air force made a statistic about their bomber planes.
they examined the bomber that came home to base to see about bullet damage because they wanted to know where they had to put put more armor to shied the plane.
So all the planes that came home had bullet holes in certain areas, mainly the Tail assembly, The main fuselage of the vehicle, and the outer portions of the wings. And VERY FEW of the planes had bullet holes on the engines, the narrow part between the main fuselage and the tail assembly, or the cockpit… because planes that were hit there usually didnt come home… so you dont put the armor where all the holes are on the planes that come home, but where there are no holes… because planes with holes in those areas —> dont come home and are therefore not a part of the statistic
Statistics, and especially statistics that work through user reports have a “dead area” somewhere in the middle… you can see that with for example - restaurant reviews…
do you write a review when the restaurant was complete trash? → Yes
do you write a review when the restaurant was super awesome? → Yes
but you usually do not write a review about the restaurant when it was - actually just good… no super good, not trashy, but just good
and the same happened with the general image of the market… how many times did I hear and joke about eve being “Spreadsheets in Space”
all to often… but the ones that use spreadsheets are the hardcore T2/ T3 industrialists… I have never actually used a spreadsheet to track any of my stuff.
how many times did I joke about the “0.01 isking, updating every 2 minutes with multiple orders”- thing that happens in the low end of the market?
all to often, but I have never done
That is literally just a bad image with the tiniest amount of truth buried somewhere in it, but it is nowhere representative of the market as a whole, and when looking at the reasons behind this change, it seems that the update is based solely on this bad image, and that is the reason why I so disagree so much with it
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Props to Eve’s artists !! excellent job on the moon textures 