You could always just dock in the Keepstar.
I guess one nice thing about structures compared to posâs is that once its bubbled to hell you canât save all your capâs with a drebuchet. Also you cant see ships on d-scan that arenât manned which is another nice bonus of removing posâs
donât worry I feel your pain on my sub 500kb/s speeds
Can anyone confirm this? I have heard it both ways, âsingle scram will prevent tetheringâ vs âHIC scram or enough points needed to prevent tetheringâ.
@CCP_Fozzie Is this suppose to affect undocking at a structure? Just simply undocking from a citadel is forcing a 30 second timer.
I didnât see this as a part of the blog.
Unlocking has always had an invuln timer. Can you confirm that there is a 30 second delay between that and tethering. And that you arenât confusing timers.
@CCP_Fozzie with the number of timers now I think we need control over which we show otherwise you can have near 10 different timers which starts making them all meaningless from information overload
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Ah yes, Youâre right. I guess after the patch I didnât expect to see it kick a notification for up. 30 second invul or if you break it then you tether.
Agreed on the control over the number of timers.
Yes this was a new addition in this release, detailed in the patch notes:
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I think what he meant with that is that when you now undock, you donât get tethered anymore unless the 30 seconds have run out. When you undock, for example, with an interceptor, this means that with some structures you can reach the end of tethering range before the 30 seconds timer runs out.
Not 100% sure but you should be able to Ctrl-space without loosing invuln, or just make an insta undock a few 100 kmâs away to insta warp to after undock. This should only effect someone not paying attention.
This is correct. Stopping your ship doesnât cancel invul. but even if it did, providing you do it within tether range youâd be instantly tethered 
Yeah this is true. Iâm not sure how thatâs any worse from before this though. Moving out of tether range will always make you a valid target.
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yea it does
this should not be a thing for a completely defenseless ship when system loading times are a factor
@CCP_Fozzie - tell me how this is balance ?
i know the guy who suffered this loss unsubbed 5 accounts the next day citing how you guys are way too biased in the favor of gankers
gates in highsec - gankers
undocking from a trade hub - gankers
cynoing in to a system with a jf - gankers
its called scouting first :]
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EvE is not dead - but man ccp goes a long way to ensure its not really fun sometimes - and things like endlessly catering to gankers is what will eventually kill it
there is zero safety for moving around a 10 billion isk ship of any kind
"scouting " is not really an acceptable response - scouting being the only option and âonly act when no ones aroundâ in no way seems remotely balanced to meâŚ
why bother with a mmo if you have to do every single thing non combat or ganking related only when no one is around? might as well go the route of droon and unsub cause its not worth it - unless your a ganker of course⌠but then who will the gankers gank when ccp has given them the whole of the universe and everyone else is fed up and quits?
and even if you do scout the system your jumping into after you light light a cyno - anyone can come in and warp right to it - and during your 300 hour align time omg you end up ganked anywayâŚ
Hahahahaha. So many people cant read. No docking change for dockable ships. Ive read several people worried about that.
T1 web on your cyno ship, web your JF into align.
This is an age old issue, nothing to do with Citadels, Citadels were a temporary buff to people jumping around, and have remained still a buff.
i mean JFs can just dock in any of them but when you use webs to move one use 3. even if you web right when they start aliening 3 will get it into warp no chance of putting one on to early
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Are you saying this freighter died because it took him over 60 seconds to load the system?
Did he jump to a Structure? And if so why didnât he simply dock there as soon as the grid loaded?
Endless catering to gankers will kill Eve? Over the years, New Eden has pretty much only gone in one direction - safer - with endless nerfs to hunters and moving around made safer and safer. There wasnât even jump drives at one point, nor were you allowed to jump into tether/dock range of upwell structures and dock with perfect safety. Yet, you claim that this development drift towards placating carebears was somehow âcateringâ to gankers, and that it is going to kill the game?
I can officially now say that people have been claiming that for 15 years now and yet the game keeps chugging along just fine. We are all each otherâs content, and sometimes you will make a mistake or be outplayed, or maybe even just be incredibly unlucky lose a ship you didnât want to lose. Sure, you can stamp your feet and rage quit when that happens, but it is an intended part of the game and working as intended. I fully believe that Eve wouldnât have made it to 15 years if such loss wasnât a possibility, and am fully of the mind that it is in fact these endless cries for safety, and the erosion to the core game play they have caused over the years, that is a bigger danger to the long-term health of the game, than people losing expensive ships and rage quitting.
Just follow the Golden Rule and donât fly more than you can afford to lose and you can then laugh at any loss, or at least no loss will push you over the edge into rage quitting.
There is 100% safety for moving a jump freighter to an Upwell structure you control. You can go from an invulnerability timer to docking instantly, with zero window of risk. I donât know how we got here, as that is sort of anathema to the core idea of the game and one I hope the devs eventually get around to fixing, but for now, you still have your 100%, perfectly safe jump freighter highways. That is a far cry above 0%.
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The problem with this claim is that ignores the larger stockpiles of resources and optimisation that the gankers can achieve. Something that ânewerâ (Read 1-5ish year players) arenât going to have, because they havenât been playing EVE for 15 years.
When people can throw a titan away in a âcome and shoot itâ event and not even care, itâs very clear that some of those ganker style people have effectively endless pockets.
Yes, mechanics have changed over the years, but so has the Meta.