Dude, are you saying I’m only imagining you?
are you not real?! IS THIS EVEN REAL LIFE?!?!?!?!?!?!
lol. just promise me you never become a game designer.
Oh I’m sorry, did you forget I ask you for a single fair argument, ill ask again:
why should cloaks NOT have an associated cost for being 100% safe?
EVERYONE that’s in Null and LS.
But sure if cloaks is not an issue in low, just have the projected cost in null?
Put fuel in the mix, you disrupt players from being cloaky 24/7, kinda like how CCP tells it;
they want players to be more active. So with fuel, cloaker hafto pick when and where to activate their cloak - it’s not disruptive.
just admit that you are fearing for the personal cost of being cloaked, is ok.
What’s not okay is being spoiled enough to be bashing on a good idea just cus it takes you out of your personal comfort zone of being completely safe - completely free of charge.
And really why is only SOV nullsec the only area that complains about it? Because by planting their flag that says they “own” the system, they feel no-one should be allowed to be there. “How dare someone come into MY space even though I don’t bother to defend it”. Trust me, time and again I have gotten chats, hate mail, trash etc just for entering sov space. How I am trespassing and how their blue with some big bad alliance and their diplo is going to contact my CEO and have me kicked for it. It is hilarious. It is this mentality that permeates these alliances.
Other areas, lowsec, WH space, NPC null, you don’t have this flag on your space so the feeling of ownership is not there and you expect to see random pilots coming through. Some random cloaky in system is not an issue and you go about your day with a little more caution.
I ignored that part of your question on purpose the previous time, but as you insist:
Why should cloaks have an associated cost for being 100% safe? The main other option to be 100% safe - being docked up - has no associated cost to it either.
I understand you wish to make other people pay more, but me, as one of the people that often uses cloaks for other activities than AFK cloaking would be heavily affected if I had to pay ISK by the hour for my gameplay.
I could say the same about you. In only thinking about your playstyle and not the rest of the game.
As I’ve said, and I have watched the AFK cloaking thread for years. 99% of the cries come from null, and of that only SOV null. So no I don’t see any actual evidence that this is a widespread issue in LS.
For one, it really doesn’t. Anyone willing to camp a system can just anchor some giant secure containers, for extra fuel and they can camp for days. It would be easier than the observation module.
The fact that CCP made this module, instead changing the cloak module is a clear indication that they don’t have an issue with how cloaking works. Additionally the fact that they restrict this from use in WH space for one, is a clear indication that they understand cloaking is working as intended in WH space.
Not fearful at all. I just play different aspects of EVE that you clearly don’t understand how your fuel idea would completely break things.
It would have to be a good idea first. You can also tell that i’s a bad idea when you can’t defend it on its merits and instead have to attempt to belittle someone else.
no one has said anything of what the associated cost should be. Nor where the fuel should come from.
So its unfair of you to state that you would be “heavily affected”.
What would be an “ok” amount for you to pay to be cloaked for 60 min?
100k isk?
1m isk?
I dont want others to “pay more”.
Im against the whole “starvation” and game change applied by CCP in an effort to provide an “fair and vibrant game”.
Im just saying…
if ccp is true to their words of a fair vibrant gameplay - “where players actions matter.”
Cloak fuel is the way to go.
Its only fair that the ones getting an advantage by beeing cloaked should pay the price.
And it also gives the l33t blop hunters a reason to brag about beeing “big-brain” … doing actions that matter etc etc
Um What? This is literally the ONLY character I have ever used to post on the forums, for over 10 years.
Gameplay can be “heavily affected” without dealing with costs. Personally I wouldn’t care about the costs. There are entire playstyles that would be crippled with your idea. As a simple example, living the WH life, you can easily go for days or longer unable to find a K-space exit to even buy more fuel, where your cloak is your defense against those who would hunt you.
You keep saying this, but I must have missed where they actually said “fair”. EVE was never developed to be “fair”. I’m pretty sure there is no thing as an actual “fair” fight in EVE. If there is I certainly have never encountered it. (which I don’t have a problem with btw).
No more off topic than ranting about cloak fuel.
So here’s the thing. People have been complaining about AFK cloaking for over a decade. After all this time CCP is finally throwing you a bone, called Mobile observatories. I’d bet money that they know full well this will not stop the whining, as players will always find new and inventive ways to disrupt other players activities.
I’d say feel lucky you have gotten anything after all this time. I wouldn’t hold your breath that they give any more.
Nerfing local is a way to solve the AFK cloaking issue.
I just think it’s the wrong way as it also has severe consequences for the way gameplay in null works, but it is undoubtably a solution. I personally prefer the Mobile Observatories as those stop AFK cloaking without impacting the rest of the gameplay.
What is the point you’re trying to make here? That an active cloaked player can warp from bookmark to bookmark and safely recloak and thereby avoid getting affected by the Mobile Observatories?
Sharp observation!
That is the entire point of those Mobile Observatories - they’re not intended to affect active cloaked players. They’ll only catch the afk ones, which is the purpose.
The observatory is advertised to combat the supposed problem of “afk cloaking”. “Afk cloaking” and all the complaints about is caused by the root cause of local. So rather than band aid the problem with this crap deployable CCP should Nerf local and be done with it. But then if they must have the deployable then the Nerf of local will provide not only the solution to afk cloaking but some measure of balance.
Really? Funny, the reason I’ve told him not to be a game designer, was the inability to think about other people’s playstyles … (in his rant post about nerfing local)… so it kinda felt like you were him - projecting your own problems.
I’ve said two times, I’ll say it a third. a system projection IN NULL.(and ls to be exact, but turns out its’ not a problem…)
So yeah. Living “the wh life” or hisec life, or even Lowsec life, or even staying cloaked when poping into a new wh, should not be affected.
Yes we share the same view, its a sov null problem - because of paid fearmonger campaign and “juicy targets” etc etc etc… “cloaky camping campaign’s” is a null sov problem.
The first thing I’ve said about this, and so many before me. It should be a module in the ihub or a ks/fortizar module. (that obviously only work in null)
But CCP/CSM has gone this route of a 42m deployable,with little to no real impact…
And the l33t cloaky hunters are not happy, im not happy.
so I and alot of others (not present) want to see a fuel cost.
if the unhappy hhunters gets to voice their concerns i get to voice my concerns.
it’s fair that PVP cloakers should pay, and its also fair and “concequential” that the pvp players should think before they activate a cloak.
it’s not fair that victims should pay a ransom fee - to have a slim to non chanse of beeing safe.
Yes, if you cant see under the surface, that means there is no piranas in the river, thats correct.
What you cant see, does not exist.
Go for a swim, laugh have a bear… nothing to worry about at all.
Nope, but you are not thinking about other people’s playstyles when you are trying to fix a perceived null problem.
Really? Did you even read what I wrote. Given some of the numbers you threw out I’d literally run out of cloak fuel without even finding a way out of WH space to buy more. Now I get maybe you’ve not lived in WH space much (it has been most of my EVE career), but this is an example of you not taking the rest of even into account with your idea.
Except I was specifically quoted YOUR words to the effect that it was
“EVERYONE **that’s in Null and LS.”
No it means you rat defensively, expecting that you are being watched.
Personally I think local is the problem. My old idea was that local should be removed from SOV NULL. I mean why would concord even bother extending that service to SOV NULL.
There should be a SOV structure that provides local. As your indexes rise you get more services. Heck I’m fine if at the highest levels it could be a system wide cloak blocker.
Given that intel is key to war, it would also be a critical structure to hit before invading, and a critical structure to defend.
That being said, this isn’t the thread for those ideas. There is a thread for that.
agree.
but also slighlty disagree, afk cloakys still hast to be scanned down, that can be tricky if its a deep safe.
And its tricky to know exactley when to scan aswell.
So… if afk cloaking already is gonna be suicide… it really dont matter.
the fuel cost would make cloaks an active pro life choice.
And those are the kind of choices CCP wants us to make. Those are thhe kind of choices that matters.
i dont really think its fair that cloaky campers are put on a pedistal.
If i want to pve i have already sign my death certificate - i just dont know when its gonna happen yet.
Why shouldnt gankers (in null sov space) sign that same death certificate that the rest of the players sign in null?
Nope. because guess what… a fourth time. YOUR CLOAK WOULD NOT COST FUEL IN WH -THE CLOAK WOULD ONLY USE FUEL TO COMPENSATE FOR THE PROJECTED “WEATER AFFECT” IN NULL SPACE.
oh see… you did read… are you only trolling?
i get it, your new to the concept of krabbin… but luck would have it -I’m not like the other l33t hunters that have been in this thread. So I’ll explain.
there is no way to “rat defensively” there are no mods that miraculous will save you when you do get dropped. There is no real “bait tanked fit”. that actually works.
And if you do a bait fit, there is no reason to even be there.
there is no reason to bait fit for anything more then +10 bombers - it simply don’t matter, you die anyway.
the only “defensive krabbing” in null is… you try to be isk efficient with what you will lose … (only use t2). or you don’t rat at all.
There are. I’ve done plenty of isk making in null, generally in enemy territory, as I’ve never actually wanted to live full time in null. I’ve died plenty stupidly by warping to a bubbled gate, but never in an anom, so far.
then massive ppl will have no point in do pve in null anymore as HS missions and HS mining will be rewarded almost the same and with waaaay less risk.( refer to blackout and ess numbers if you need data). then we that will stay in null will be drowned in roamers tears that there is no one to hunt AGAIN. if you don’t like local and null that bad go hunt in wh space. stop willing to change a whole sec status gameplay on behalf of your sole needs.
Ok if you explicitly stated you only proposed fuel in SOV NULL space then I missed it and that’s my bad. However I’ve gone back a little bit and never saw that explicitly mentioned. But there are a lot of posts in this thread.
There are still many legit players who roam/explore NULL that would be negatively impacted by this for no good reason.
we sorta already there?
CCP has nerfed caps, introduced “the bounty modified system” and moved mining to hisec.
the “pve isk” is in wh and hisec nowdays.
see… ninja farming in hostile territory is not at all the same as krabbing in your home.
ninja farmin should be a thrill.
krabbing at home should be farming.
uhm, yeah.
I’m talking about “ways to survive a blops drop” (there is none) as this topic is about cloaking and krabbing under a camped system. to my knowledge, there is only a small window of a few seconds to get out when the hunter uncloaks, and that means you had to be aligned and pay close attention, at all times.
and being aligned ready to warp is NOT something you only do when you know a hunter is active - that’s something you do all the time. Even if you’re alone in the system.
That’s part of normal krabbing. There is no such thing as “defensive krabbing”