No, because Archer gave it a revival. I know, I’m phoning it in at this point.
You got lucky you not got banned for them by Falcon back in the days. Like me.
/strokes lucky rabbit’s foot.
I wasn’t aware of that, I’ve only seen a couple of episodes.
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But one of them did raise it up to the highest level and got fobbed off, which is when I found out about it.
Not always. My posts removed from this thread had no such notification.
Okay, I’m going to pivot into a more on-topic post:
I think what would really help things, especially on the forums, is an official reaffirmation by CCP with regard to what this game is about. No leaving things to interpretation, no vague areas, et cetera. We need CCP, like they have in the past, to reiterate EVE’s reality as a “cold, harsh universe.” We need CCP to concretely address such concepts as the ever-present danger of PvP in all areas of space. We need CCP to explain that they never did, and never will control player behavior, as long as it falls within the game’s baseline rules (e.g. no doxxing, no scamming people out of real-life assets, stuff like that).
Most of these debates stem from this perpetual argument. In the past, we could reference official statements made by staff like Falcon, and that would put many arguments to rest, because we could point to the reality of EVE being a very specific type of game.
Why do we need this? Because forum clashes almost exclusively follow a very narrow template:
- Someone makes a thread or a post that complains about some form of EVE risk factor (e.g. “lost a barge to a gank in high-sec,” or “can’t go to low-sec to run sites because griefers are camping the gate and won’t let me pass,” etc.);
Alternatively, someone interjects into a normal, perfectly fine thread with a bait comment aimed at the “other camp” (both sides are guilty of this) - Pro-risk vets start explaining to the OP what they did wrong, and how to avoid it (some might be somewhat scathing if the OP rails or rages)
- Anti-risk vets (usually on alts) start baiting and attacking the other group, often with a high incidence of foul language, and start treating their camp as EVE pariahs being censured by the violent cavemen for merely expressing a voice of reason
- The pro-risk group takes the absolute piss out of the anti-risk group
- Thread gets cleaned/locked
It’s always like this. I have quite literally never seen it the other way around, where someone makes a thread or a post railing about the inability to cause enough damage to other players, gets a reasonable explanation from the well-adjusted, peace-oriented players, and then goes on a frothy cuss tirade out of sheer rage and frustration. Simply hasn’t happened! Not once!
Every single game-related argument can be traced to this root reason. All of the really nasty arguments polluted by things like real-life politics stem from this. Case in point: this thread, over the past few days, devolved into a crap-fest because a handful of posters started arguing that CCP is in collusion with pro-risk players (who were instantly referred to as trolls and personal attackers) in order to persecute and silence the “carebears.” Of what remains, you can see this start at around post #380.
But this is so fundamentally easy to address, just by reminding everyone about the core function of this game. CCP could quite literally make all of this go away just by refreshing everyone’s understanding that this is a sandbox in which other players can influence the way you play, even by using violence you don’t agree to, that this will never change, and as such, is open to discussion only as a matter of theory.
An official statement that all of the pirates, gankers, wardec hardmen, scammers, and cult personalities are all playing the game in an acceptable manner and within the confines of its rules, would take away most of our reasons to argue. You can’t be a “PvP troll” if the developers are saying you’re playing the game normally, and you likewise can’t be a “carebear troll” because your position is instantly rendered invalid by official statement.
Likewise, if I’m wrong about all of this, and EVE is no longer a “cold. harsh universe” where the danger of nonconsensual PvP is ever-present (which could be the case considering how this sort of phrasing has been suspiciously missing from EVE’s marketing materials during recent years), I want CCP to tell me this, and not hear it from other players.
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Isn’t calling someone a liar a ‘personal attack’ ?
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meh, it’s a change from being labelled as goonscum or a code flunky.
I’m not offended by it either way, it’s not like a 2 day old alt’s opinion is actually worth much.
@Destiny_Corrupted I agree, a reaffirmation of the true nature of Eve from a CCP representative would be welcome; not that it would curtail the naysayers as evidenced by some of the responses to CCP Falcon’s most excellent post on the old forums.
https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4972885#post4972885
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That’s exactly what I’m aiming for. Unfortunately, we can’t point to a post that’s almost a decade old, because people can claim that the gaming market has evolved, games have changed, customer expectations are different, and EVE caters to a different type of player now. While the burden of proof would still be on the person making such a claim, we wouldn’t be able to proactively dispute it as soon as it’s made. It would just lead to another poop-smeared flame fest.
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Historically animal poo was used as fuel for a fire. Modern tech makes it even easier and research has been done on recycling all faeces in this way.
The more you know…
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Forume is extension of the game.
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That’s a fairly accurate depiction of how stuff goes.
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I am a clone, I am not alone
Every fibre of my flesh and bone
Is identical to the others
Everything I say is in the same tone
As my test tube brother’s voice
There is no choice between us,
If you had ever seen us,
You’d rejoice in your uniqueness
And consider every weakness
Something special of your own
Being a clone, I have no flaws to identify
Even this doggerel that pours from my pen,
Has just been written by
Oh, another twenty telepathic men,
Word for word, it says:
“Oh, for the wings of any bird,
Other than a battery hen”.
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That’s some childhood memories right there, my dad played Hawkwind incessantly; when he wasn’t blasting out Queen.
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MIght make me a nice HW and BOC playlist later, now its in my head lol
Blue Oyster Cult?
You like prog rock then.
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Love it.
Im still groovy, my sword tells me so
There we go. A prime example of what I meant when I said this:
Alternatively, someone interjects into a normal, perfectly fine thread with a bait comment aimed at the “other camp” (both sides are guilty of this)
Bait, of course. Let’s disregard that the person making the post has been around since the game came out, has made consistent arguments throughout thousands of forums posts, and never said anything more offensive than “carebear” or calling someone bad at video games. Nope, I’m trolling hard right now, desperately waiting for someone like Darlo or DMC to swim along and gum at the hook so that I can swing the rod through the air, and make them flop around on the ground while I point and laugh, and tell them that Hello Kitty Online (sadly now shut down) is that way. Nope, no way my post is rooted in an Obelisk-load of historical precedent, and actually represents my sincere beliefs.
@ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode You see what I mean? Please don’t remove that person’s post. It’s a perfect case study of what’s going on, and proof that clarity from CCP would fix so many forum issues.
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Groove is in the heart ~ Deee Lite.
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Maybe CCP think the forums are a content/conflict-driver.
Sadly, it hasnt been that way for a very very long time.
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