Um, should a shortage cause prices to go up? Wouldn’t the smart thing to do would be to stockpile until prices started reaching acceptable levels and then start selling?
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This has never been true… You cannot reduce the presence of super capitals this way. The only way is to remove skill injectors. It is skill injectors that created the inflation of multi-boxing and super capitals. If you don’t have to wait 2.5 -3 years to be a good super pilot then why should you, just buy plex and skills and you too can be an EVE Tycoon.
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Before we had excavators nobody used rorquals or very rarely.Once excs and injectors were a thing everyone wanted one.People always want to use the best isk making there is.Players can not be blamed when ccp provided them with both.But even if injectors were never a thing people would just turn to bying ror chars for cosmic amounts which one could argue is a bigger barrier.So injectors were partly to blame for the oversupply not rorquals and miners.
Now you’re taking away a play style which people got used to for several years without providing anything to replace it with.Lets face it there are activities in game that people want to do actively and things that suck if you have to monitor them.Mining sucks.It pays low when done on 1 character and it doesn’t have any fun factor.Now if mining were to pay more than anything else in game but be something you have to micro manage then it would be bearable.
At present the shortage we face is real bad solution so I hope its only like it says for a short time.I hope people have not forgotten for how long 0.0 had to beg until ccp finally made it worth to live there.The most dangerous space should provide everything because its dangerous.Rorqual if its not changed drastically will never be a boosting ship.People will resort to moon mining and if ccp nerfs that they will switch to barges which they are mostly using atm.Nobody is dumb enough to waste rorq cycles .The re-distribution needs to return at the least 75% of what was taken away or a certain type of gameplay will be gone and with it a certain type of player.With that I bet CCP will lose more money than they will gain.
Whats more because the mineral shortage will hit us eventually very hard, the prices of everything modules and ships, will drive people away from pvp not encorage it.Once again we will return to t1 ship fights with players less and less likely to use expensive ships because they will be harder to replace.Large scale fights like BR are rare event as it is.Think what will happen when a titan returns to 150-200b ballpark again do you think we will ever see large scale fights again?
As a long time 0.0 industry and pvp player my personal opinion is we’re headed in the wrong direction.If you want things to change do not take away things from players but it would be much smarter to provide them with alternatives.Lets say there was a new planetary interaction that gave the same amount of income as super carrier ratting, this gives the player an active choice I can do this or that.Now you’re forcing everybody in one direction and CCP is trying to take away the most important aspect of EVE online which made it huge in the first place:THE ABSOLUTE FREEDOM of player choice.
Rorquals were a thing even before excavators… But then they just deployed in a POS, boosted miners throughout the entire system and were used to compress ore just like they are now. So yes, Rorquals were used differently, but I’ve had a Rorq since before excavators to boost my miners…
Also one of the reasons you don’t see fights like BR- anymore is simply because it’s a right bitch to move (super)capitals any meaningful distance. IIRC BR- happened before jump fatigue, so you could just jump as fast and your cap recharge would allow it.
Maybe the nerfing of the ore anoms will be a good thing, maybe they will eventually redistribute resources so that regions that are mined a lot will spawn less rocks, whilst regions where mining isn’t happening will spawn more and bigger rocks.
Maybe nullsec will have to get all their minerals from moons, maybe not. Whatever happens, EVE players are good at several things, whining and adapting included.
HTFU
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You say that the most dangerous space should provide everything, so WHs should get all of the moon goo types then?
Rorquals were a thing, and there lies the issue.You now have to be deployed on the field to get boosts, and I don’t think compressing minerals somewhere safe will make people happy about the new state of the game.For fights now we have jump gates sure its not the same thing but if prices jump no amount of changes will make people adapt in a good way because yes they can adapt to become more scared or brave in regards to the issue of fighting and conflicts.As for moon goo and minerals distribution I would not mind if WHs were to get a 50% of what 0.0 has/used to have, having lived in wh for 3 years I know it needs some love as long as we don’t end up in the crap state we’re at the moment.
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Well with there new changes I just un-subed 7 accounts. Very pissed off about anom changes. For the first time in playing this game from 2005, they have just killed the game for me
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Theres more to Eve then mining.
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Being able to pvp when you want in the way you want is a direct result of mining.That’s like saying there’s more to life than bread.Take bread away see how long before you start craving it.We were not provided with alternative to our bread that’s where all the chaos came in.They just took it all away.That’s why I hope they come to their senses in the mineral re-distribution phase.
Yeah i like to mine to build ships i need, not to multibox 50 acounts to be space rich.
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But you’re blaming players for this concept while it was ccp that introduced it.I said many times if they made mining to be something you have to do actively but provides the same income as multiboxing nobody would mind.Hell even if it provided 25% of the multiboxing value they can still get away with it.However they just took it away with no alternative provided.
http://declarationsofwar.com/190-romancing-the-stones-feat-ccp-rattati/ this convo with the ccp dev has all the input we need regarding the issue.The 2 interviewing guys are also very smart.I will give tl:dr of it and my 2cents.
1.CCP feels players and their empires of walls keepstars, and way of living is not good for the ecosystem of the game.
2.From the recent survey of players that have been done the biggest concern that was communicated by the players was the lack inequality within the game.-(probably because of the said empires and because some people learned to build them more efficiently than others?).
3.CCP want to introduce cop and criminal play style to eve where the small guy can interfere/steal the stuff from the big guy.-Siphoning units didn’t do much in game.
4.CCP want to introduce a play style which would move riches from one system to another forcing the big groups to move also.-This will not bring equality imo into eve.
These are all hypothetical and not something set in stone but from what I can tell most people prefer that their approach to how mining was until now aka netflix and mining remain the same, and another type of players would prefer if it was completely nerfed or removed.You can’t satisfy either group with these changes so the truth is in the middle ground and I hope ccp can find it.
The reason null groups had more resources wasnt because they were more organized, it was because of a broken system that made resources in upgraded system just keep spawning infinitly at an incredible rate.
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Thx for killing EVE for me CCP
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You are going on about nul sec and to much ore. blah blah blah. But we in nul sec work for what we want, we constantly PVP’ing and loosing ships, there are always wars and fights. Cause some players do not have the balls to go to low sec you need to kill it for all of us. We loose caps all the time, we loose rorq’s all the time, but we put balls to the wall and get better at we do and it has taken years of training skills and injecting isk to get where we are, and for what, so CCP can Fck us. I have spend 1000’s of dollars on this game and we just got Scwed
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uh?
what prevents you now from ratting/explo/trading/mining ore moons/doing abyssals/scamming/etc to fund your ships destroyed in pvp?
what prevents you now from adapting and HTFU?
what prevents you from just waiting a few weeks until you see what will be the “dynamic process phase” ?
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Love how some nulsec player slam highsec players as carebears when something changes their playstyle, yet here we have nulsec player acting the exact same way…
So using nulsec words normally directed at all other non-nulsec player, get over yourself and adapt.
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Well i live in WH space so saying im to scared to go to low sec lol. In WH space well get maybe 2 ore anoms in our home system a month, how many anoms show up in your home system in null a month. How many belta do you have, we have 0 belts for mining.
So all the training and ISK we spend getting into caps and rorqs and the months of training should just be written off as “bad Planing” Maybe if you look at more then just that, they would know what the reprecutions are. I am sure if you spend 1000’s of $$ to get in a ship and it is now a useless ornament sitting in station you would be happy about it. Pilots that trained for months and time and $$ invested is now useless. It is not about the making of ISK, if you rorq mine you would know that there are much better ways to make much more isk then sitting hours on end mining. It was always about the diversity of EVE, where you can follow the career path you enjoy and do something that gives you satisfaction in the game. I do not make most of my ISK in nul sec on mining, not by far, I find satisfaction in manufacturing Supers and caps. But now all the money time and money spend was for nothing. That pisses me off!!!
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I did not say “you” to start off with, if the shoe fits, put it on. You live in WH space by choice, not by force. So if CCP would take away all the gas mining and ratting anoms from WH space, would you be happy after investing in what you enjoy doing?
They didnt remove all mining in null, you still can mine.
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