So you hate mutaplasmid transformations and you’re saying you will never switch to seeing it any other way than as a gamble.
That’s ok, you’re free to do this. Have my blessing if that’s what you want.
But if you also want to try to convince others of your view then we are telling you that we’re not buying into it. And with we do I mean the people who already have either stated it, mocked you for it, or otherwise opposed your resentment towards mutaplasmid transformations.
You mean the vast majority?
No final numbers yet. Some items I’ll hold onto waiting for a better time to sell, some have been sold and some I’m not yet sure if I want to shred them in fits or not. Probably I will want to do that.
I don’t hate them, lest I wouldn’t do them. I see the danger that the entire chain of things enables gambling behaviour. That’s all. I respect that you see it differently, but I also know that you’re the person to have a pretty non-caring attitude towards humans anyway, so why would you care if someone falls into gambling here.
You know, if I recall correctly you were the guy to say “on their knees and in need of money - that’s how you (Whitehound) like your women”. After such a statement, I won’t expect you to show any interest in what could possibly harm others.
I want to discuss it and some people brought up interesting points, but this discussion about how words can be interpreted freely wasn’t so interesting for me. It’s the random thing you can always bring up and it rarely ever helps getting to the point. It’s okay to talk about it, but for me personally it’s just a given that I always have present and I don’t need to talk about it again as if it was a revelation or something.
I don’t feel mocked, but I’d be happy if those who apparantely tried, try again. Try harder maybe.
You’ve sunk 40bil in isk value per your estimate.
What:
Is it possible to use my credit card to buy Plex, trasform it into ISK, buy module and mutaplasmid, and mutate it? It’s doesn’t matter if we can’t buy mutaplasmids directly. RL money can be involved.
You bought PLEX, not Mutaplasmids.
You bought an apple, not a tomato.
If you sell the PLEX ingame for isk, and then buy Mutaplasmids with that, its three degrees of separation from the original PLEX purchase with money from CCP.
What you buy with isk ingame, or sell for isk ingame, is no concern of CCPs or anyone elses.
Yes, you can certainly see it this way and call it a gamble if that’s what you want.
You may however want to consider that transforming PLEX into ISKs is can be seen as a gamble, because the price of PLEX is player-made and not guaranteed. Sometimes you get less, sometimes you get more.
True, but you could also just quickly check Jita before buying PLEX. Also there is a relatively high stability around the PLEX prices, at least short term. I’d say it is easily the least fluctuating price on the player market.
The vast majority of PLEX sales happen due to 2 preconditions:
1 . The PLEX bought from CCP with real money can and will be traded for ISK in-game
2. The PLEX bought with ISK from the person who bought it with money from CCP, can be exchanged into game-time with CCP
From the perspective of Player A
// buying PLEX with cash in order to sell them for ISK
Player A (money), CCP (PLEX), Player B (ISK)
Player A (ISK), CCP (money), Player B (PLEX)
From the perspective of Player B:
// buying PLEX with ISK in order to get a RL service (gametime)
Player B (ISK), CCP (gametime), Player A (money)
Player B (gametime), CCP (money), Player (ISK)
From the perspective of CCP:
// selling PLEX for money
CCP (PLEX/gametime), Player A (money), Player B (ISK)
CCP (money), Player A (ISK), Player B (gametime)
The in between steps may last as long as they may, in the end the result will be the same.
Anyhow, I think it’s important to point out that neither this alone nor RNG-mutations alone are the problem, but together they form a weird, potentially dangerous bond.
You normally can’t instantaneously increase your EVE net worth beyond what you either have in-game or what you are willing to spend on PLEX with real life money. The pure act of buying PLEX to sell them for ISK is not the issue, since this is balanced by in-game market. You get more or less exactly what others would get and this means that the advantage you can rl-buy for yourself is minimal.
However with Mutaplasmids you can instantaneously increase your EVE net worth beyond the normal capabilities of the game. It’s not effort or cleverness, it’s just RNG. So this is the core, but alone it would not be that much of an issue. The “worst” that could happen was for someone to spend more ISK than they can afford on it. That’s part of the game. It becomes more dangerous in combination with the aforementioned PLEX buying though.
Finally, I think from my side I said what needed to be said and I respect others who brought up a different opinion. The discussion had its ups and downs and that’s okay. I’ll read the next few replies and if nothing new comes up, I’ll leave it be.
Choosing to mutate a module with a Mutaplasmid is not gambling, nor is using a booster, least of all illegal.
Someone please /thread this so we can put this aside.
Zluq will make another thread next week on an other angle to “fix” Mutaplasmids so he can profit off T2 sink.
Note: He didnt answer questions on how after 40bil isk value sunk, what his stock is worth nor predicted sale revenue from that in the next quarter.
I think you tried to “gamble” on a lame horse, to the tune of 40bil isk.
I tried to warn you before launch, but you didnt listen, and still arent.
Did you ever consider not posting when your post contains pure repetition of what you’ve already said in the same way, lacking any arguments?
I mean if you don’t have the self-control to resist the temptation of posting words without saying anything, you should probably think about the reason for that. Is it the lack of intellectual capabilities to actually bring arguments to the table rather than just claims? That mixed with some kind of sense of inferiority?
Or is it…
just pure good-old paranoia? 
Why would I tell you?
You sunk 40bil on this.
You havent answered:
What is the value of your mutated module stock?
What sales revenue do you predict off that in the next quarter?
Yeah, you wont say, cos you faceplanted.
Grats.
You lost 40bil.
I warned you, but you didnt listen.
Why would I tell you?
Good try, try again.
Maybe. Or maybe even more. Or maybe I made twice that. How eager are you to know?
Its clear you have sunk a huge amount of isk on a bad business plan that didnt pan out anywhere near your expected margins.
I warned you, but you didnt listen.
HTFU.
Oh this provokes me so much that I will tell you exactly how much I made…
Wait for it…
Wait for it…
Wait…
Nah. Keep guessing.
Also
Pick one.
You are 40bil in the hole with no estimate of return.
No investor will touch you even with a 10AU pole.
You fked up.
Should have listened to me.
I know you are a good guy so I won’t stare too much in disbelieve over what kind of semi-paranoid fantasies you are able to make up in the blink of an eye. It’s quite impressive though.
On a serious side-note though: you should probably not have children before you fix that attitude of yours.
You fked up, bigly.
Thats on you.
I tried to save you, but I failed.
Deal with it and HTFU.
Ive never had more than 5bil at a time myself.
Its funny to me that you managed to wreck 40bil isk without anyone ever having shot at you, all on your own.
Irelevant. Money went to CCP anyway. Also it’s not important who gets the money but what you do with it. You spend RL cash on a bet to get a better ingame item. Just because it’s not directly don’t change the fact. You don’t use currencies in the cassions but cassions chips.
Stop salvoshing the thread btw.
Relax Salvos, it’s all in your fantasy. Just calm yourself, it’s all good.
Then I will let you keep believing this, because it makes you happy. Peace 