Mutaplasmids constitute Gambling

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This thread, and others like it by him, have been “zluq’d” all by himself.

Guy sunk 40bil of his own isk to others, and ended up with nothing except his own salty tears which I enjoy cos I told him not to and he just attacked me for it.

Too bad. Too sad.

This most recent attempt of his, as claiming mutation of modules as feeding into gambling addiction and potentially illegal, is as funny as it is false. Very.

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Agreed. It’s harder to grasp for some people, because it involved thinking different levels at once, but you’re right.

We both know why you think (or pretend) it is funny to you.

  1. You are paranoid about Goons being everywhere. Like, you are actually paranoid about this specific thing
  2. You feel the need to prove your self-worth by attempting to teach/belittle others. This is sadly normal these days and I guess it means you should change something in your real life. Besides that bad attitude, I don’t see you making any efforts, maybe you just don’t have anything interested to tell.
  3. You create little fantasies in your head, where you follow your own simple logic. In that fantasy world you are powerful, while in real life you probably are the opposite. There is no shame in it, Most people have little power. No need to escape into such fantasies. Just relax.
  4. In your fantasies about others, you always distrust them, always think they have ulterior motives. You know what? It tells something about you, not the others.
  5. Furthermore you assume that you understand other peoples motives, because you project yours onto them. It’s a common mistake of people who stop evolving because they don’t question themselves.
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Did you spend IRL money on mutaplasmids?

Be very careful how you answer now.

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You did’t post any meangfull answers why muraplasmids are not gambling. I gave you definition on the plate and you arguing about semantics like “CCP is not the cassino” which is irelevant. It doesn’t mean I want to chase CCP and ban whole mechanism. It don’t change the fact it falls under the definition imo.
Problem with gambling starts when addiction may be involved in it. Is that the case? I don’t know.

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A few cents on electricity and a few cents on using the computer, but they are tax deductible.

Man Salvos, I don’t know how to help you anymore.

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This should be the standard answer to ANY Salvos post.

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:rofl:

Not saying he has “zluq’d” the thread, it’s his thread, just laughing at the word…

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No miners in the casino.

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Because there isn’t ore to be had in the casino.

Except the Golden Nugget.

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So how much profit are you going to make off your 40bil investment?

Or are you going to finally admit that you fked up, royally.

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All those valid points, but 90% of forum users would fit with them.
Lost art of conversation.
I think Salvos is a really smart guy but can’t articulate himself. Also very hard talking with him. We ALL need a perspective sometimes.

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Could you dance these questions please?

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Well if you skew the definition of “gambling” so much that you include your argument as gambling, then yes of course by your terms its gambling. However it’s not gambling by any other standard used by the human race. For something to be gambling you have to have at least the possibility of winning your stake back, if not more. Let me know when CCP starts paying out cash.

This is a game. You exchange time and money for pixels. You never get time or money back.

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AKA " “When I use word ,” Humpty Dumpty said , in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean —neither more nor less.”"

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It seems you think that for something to be gambling, the possible win/output needs to have the same form as the stack/input. You would be wrong.

It is quite simple: someone offers you to buy (no matter throw how many intermediary steps) a lottery ticket with real money under the promise of a possible price (decided by a game of chance) that holds value to you, it is gambling. If the price was something objectlively without value both for the general person and the general player of this game, it wouldn’t be gambling. OP modules are of high value in the game, there is a clear and commonly established path from real money to game money and thereby this could lead vulnerable people into gambling.

Simple as that.

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If that’s your definition of simple I’d hate to see your version of complicated…

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Its not gambling.
Certainly not in a legal tense.

Simple as that.

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If someone wants to call it a gamble then they can.

Perhaps those who want to be pedantic about it should look into using the words figuratively and literally to describe what it is.

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If that is your version of a sharp reply, I wonder how low your dull ones can get.

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Hello.

IT’s not gambling because there is no incentive to pay more money (not isk - RL money ) into the process in order to obtain a good by a process which result is driven by random more than by personal actions.

Sure you can buy isks with $ and then mutate more items with those isks ; but it is limited by the amount of plex buyers, the market, the production of mutaplasmids. But in the end it depends where you are. I think it’s gray, just like ded escalations.