Wtf
This is like something Billy would say.
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{citation needed}
Also, please remember that the primary victims of farmer trash are legitimate PvE players whose income is crippled by the excess production flooding the market. PvP players can always leave highsec and go find people to shoot elsewhere.
Show me where CCP have declared it not to be an exploit to bypass the ineligibility for wadecs.
They allowed public discussion of the mechanic and did not take action against anyone who used it. They did change the mechanic to function in a way that many people prefer, but in no way did they treat it as an exploit.
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It’s basic supply vs. demand. The more supply is in the market the lower prices will be. Therefore if fewer people are able to successfully complete PvE content prices for the things they produce will be higher. If PvE is made easier and safer to appease the farmer trash then prices go down for the people who don’t need additional safety to succeed.
Most of the market flooding comes from nullsec by a massive margin.
What’s your point? Regardless of other sources of production reducing production will still increase prices, and many nullsec residents are farmer trash just like their highsec counterparts.
So again, show me evidence of CCP stating that it is not an exploit to bypass the ineligibility for war mechanic.
The fact that nobody was banned for using the exploit and discussion of the mechanic was not restricted at all. I’ve provided evidence that CCP didn’t view it as an exploit, if you want to establish that it was in fact an exploit then you need to provide some evidence of your own.
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See “farmer trash” “krab” “kulak” etc
Siding with kulaks shows disrespect for The People.
That’s not an accusation though. That would be for the NKVD to decide.
Not really. Loss in PvE is virtually nonexistent if you are a competent PvE player (and if you aren’t then competent PvE players want you to continue to fail and keep prices high), so the only time PvE players create demand is when they are destroyed in PvP attacks.
To an industrialist, lower prices of minerals is a good thing.
Assuming the industrialist is not smart enough to understand the benefits of vertical integration and buys their minerals on the open market. Higher mineral prices may drive up the costs of production but they also drive up the sale price of the finished product, for a net change of zero.
To a mission runner lower prices of improvements to or replacements of ships and modules is a good thing.
Competent mission runners do not ever buy improvements or replacements because loss in mission farming (outside of being suicide ganked by another player) is virtually impossible. You assemble a single mission ship and then farm indefinitely with it, the only thing you ever buy is ammo. And to the limited extent that you could ever conceivably “improve” (IOW, make it more profitable to suicide gank) a mission ship it would come in the form of faction/officer upgrades that exist entirely separately from the mining/industry system.
Parts of PvE have been made easier in the past and it hasn’t caused everyone to stop engaging in them.
I never said people would stop engaging in them. I said that making PvE easier drives down prices for whatever that PvE activity produces because more people are able to successfully farm that PvE content and increase supply. But the fact that people are willing to take a reduced income over zero income does not prove that this decline in prices doesn’t exist.
My point is that you’re banging on about highsec “farmer trash” like they run the economy.
Lolwut? I never said they run the economy, stop posting blatant straw man arguments.
Classic Merin. “I don’t want to provide evidence, so you provide evidence to prove my wild assumptions wrong”.
Stop lying. I have provided more evidence than you did, and even evidence that is not 100% conclusive is still better than your unsupported assertion that you are right unless I prove you wrong.
Indeed, but seemingly depending on the position of the moon or some other arbitrary factor, Merin chooses to include or exclude those from the definition of “farmer trash”.
And this is just you being an idiot. I have constantly insulted nullbears who act entitled to safe 23/7 solo farming. The only time I have ever said anything positive about them is maybe a grudging acknowledgement that, while they are utterly pathetic, they are maybe just a tiny bit less pathetic than highsec farmer trash because they don’t have CONCORD to hide behind.
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You’re missing the point.
Competent players do not lose anything in PvE and want PvE to remain at its current difficulty level. A competent mission farmer does not care if mining becomes more dangerous because they are barely buying anything.
Incompetent players lose stuff and are hurt by higher prices, but competent players want them to continue losing stuff.
You seem to have a habit of making very general statements based on pure theory with no actual experience.
Sorry, but economic theory is not something you can ignore. To the extent that EVE’s markets diverge from what theory would say it is 100% because of irrational behavior by incompetent players. And it’s in the best interest of competent players for the “minerals I mine myself are free” idiots to get driven out of the game so that the market can move back towards rational behavior.
But again you’re just saying “PvE” as if it’s one thing. It’s not.
It is in the context of this discussion because the changes farmer trash demands apply equally to all PvP. For example, removing suicide ganking would be an increase in safety for all PvE activities so it would have a PvE-wide effect of making PvE easier for low-skill players and driving down the income of high-skill players who are not being hurt by suicide ganking (and often take advantage of its benefits). The exact numbers for each activity would be different, but in general terms the result is the same.
Where? all you’ve done is make statements about industry and trade that prove you to have no idea what you are talking about.
Stop lying you worthless piece of ****. You know perfectly well that the statement you just quoted was in reference to the war mechanics being an exploit or not, not industry/trade like you are presenting it.
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Why do people continue to talk to him or read any of the drivel he writes? He is clearly incapable of having a rational adult conversation. All he does is make blanket generalizations, with a heap of passive-aggressive pseudo-intellectual snark, and then start crying about ‘harassment’ when he’s confronted with the facts.
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And here ends the discussion. You blatantly misquoted me and lied about the context, and now you deny that you lied. **** off you dishonest piece of **** troll.
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Please refrain from performing sex acts on livestock so I won’t have to.
I’ve not lied at all.
And now you lie again. I said “I have provided more evidence than you did” regarding the question of whether or not the recent war mechanic was an exploit or not, you replied with “Where? all you’ve done is make statements about industry and trade that prove you to have no idea what you are talking about.”. That is a blatant attempt to pretend that the statement you quoted was about industry, not about war mechanics, and the claim that I had not provided evidence regarding the war mechanics was also a lie.
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I think Merin has raised some really good points here. I sincerely hope Lucas takes this to heart and thinks about what she said.
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It’s not my fault the truth hurts. You can stop receiving criticism of your perversion at any time if you choose to do so, just stop posting here.
Nope, It was simply a summary of your post.
Please refrain from defending your dishonest out of context quoting and blatant lying.
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A flower grown is the beginning of a great meadow 
Woah somebody is raging
damn racist too
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And you can also **** off and go back to WoW.
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whatever racist
Making things up yet again I see…
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Point of order:
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I feel the need to argue semantics all the time because that’s just how I am, not because I’m feeling butthurt.
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In my opinion, no matter how unbalanced it is, when players compete against one another then they are, by definition, engaging in PvP. I don’t understand why other people feel the need to keep harping about how EvE doesn’t have “real PvP” when it’s such a broad term in the first place. There’s room for everyone, why be exclusionist about it?
Everyone’s opinions are valid, but that doesn’t mean everyone’s opinions are good. Regardless of the merit to his ideas, my issue with him stems from how he appears to be taking advantage of new players to their detriment and his own benefit. That’s just not okay.
Maybe he feels satisfaction in finding something - anything - to fight against, no matter how futile it is to do so? If that’s the case then he certainly picked the right game to try and turn into a farming simulator.
Maxim 47: “Don’t expect the enemy to cooperate in the creation of your dream engagement.”
You’re not playing in a vacuum. Failure to account for what other players are going to do will end up biting you at some point because having relatively few limitations on player actions is one of the cornerstones of EvE’s gameplay.
Wait, seriously?
That’s what likes are for, isn’t it?
Fair enough.
…I stand corrected. Is he the guy with a dozen monitors hanging over his desk? I haven’t seen his streams.
If you make claims, then the burden of proof falls to you when they are challenged.
Screenshots, please. Even better if someone still has that in their EVEmail and forwards it to me.
Something like 90% of the internet appears to consider punctuation as their mortal enemy.
BEWARE THE HORRORS OF SPAGHETTI POSTING!!!
Speaking of which, if you ever feel like paying Deltole a visit there’s a group of bot-aspirants farming the Skeleton Comet COSMOS site. It’s borderline impossible for anyone else to run the site with them there.
So do I. Constant back-and-forth arguments like this accomplish nothing constructive.
