My contribution to the "Highsec Lobby" initiative

[Nicolai_Serkanner]

@Sabus_Narian

Your dumb

Jesus wept.

[Solonius_Rex]

@Lucas_Kell

Sure, except of course that you were misrepresenting what my response was to.

This should be good. Please demonstrate how I misrepresented anything.

@Lucas_Kell

Because unlike you, I have experience in EVE.

Ah, yes. Personal experience. The most unreliable form of evidence. You do understand why we actually ask for evidence and not personal testimony when we, for example, run scientific studies, right?

@Lucas_Kell

You are, that doesn’t make you a bittervet, that makes you a player opposed to a given type of change.

So, are you saying that bittervets are generally open to change but new players are not?

@Lucas_Kell

Like, really easily? I’m not sure why you think you can’t be both.

That response makes no sense to the question I’m asking. It’s a yes or no question.

@Lucas_Kell

I can’t remember the exact killboard logic off the top of my head. I think NPC only kills get listed if the individual player has an ESI link or something weird like that.

Sure, so in other words your previous statement was wrong.

@Lucas_Kell

I already provided evidence, I told you to loke at the code alliance killboard to see ganks without the “ganked” tag. Since it doesn’t fit your agenda though, I imagine you’re deliberately ignoring that as that is your standard tactic.

The evidence I asked for, isnt about whether the killboard was accurate, but regarding your claim about how you said new players were being targetted at a higher rate than other players.

You are really bad at following discussions, aren’t you.

Here is what I said:

but you are the one making the claim that New Players are being targetted more.
Please, feel free to provide the evidence for your claims.

What I’m asking you, is to provide evidence for your claim that new players are being targetted over older players. Not for your claim about zkillboard. We already concluded that your comment was false, regarding that.

@Lucas_Kell

Have you look at the graph Scipio provided? Pretty much every time this topic comes up people roll out data proving it, and every time people that support gankers conveniently forget about it.

Okay, so i took a look at Scipio Artellius’ post. He took a look at a single ganker. Whats your point? Do you want me to list up a graph for Jason Kusion, for example, and see how old his gank targets are? Scipio himself says that, and I quote:

The result can certainly be extrapolated out to many misleading conclusions, but just don’t do that.

@Lucas_Kell

That really depends on their playstyle.

And the only playstyle that would warrant someone moving all their belongings beyond simply a fitted ship, around new eden on a regular basis would be a nomadic individual. Which most new players will not be doing.

@Lucas_Kell

I think it’s unlikely you had to hunt down the clip. You certainly come across as the type that does listen to those frequently.

So your claim is based on baseless accusations. Gotcha.

@Lucas_Kell

You’ve not yet written a well-reasoned argument. All you’ve done is arbitrarily decide that everything I say is wrong, misrepresented statement, ignore facts and thrown insults about.

Asking for evidence is not the same as “arbitrarily deciding that everything you say is wrong.” Infact, that’s not arbitrary at all. It’s actually quite reasonable.

@Lucas_Kell

So? All that tells me is that you like to spam newbies with yoru nonsense as well as people in GD.

Cool. So here is another claim by you that can be easily proved. If I post the last 15 of my responses to new citizens Q and A, and if over half of them are nonsense and are unrelated or do not help the new player in any way, what will you say to that?

@Lucas_Kell

I can guarantee you haven’t. Firstly this isn’t my only forum character, and secondly, I’ve likely helped more newbies in-game during the 8 years prior to you joining the game than you have since

Since Lucas Kell joined eve 6 years(2007) prior to Solonius Rex(2013), I have no idea where that extra 2 years is coming from.

But this is another perfectly easily provable claim. What is your alt that has more replies in new citizen Q and A than mine?

@Lucas_Kell

Most corps had that rule. Since the change was made years ago, I’m not sure if I’d be able to specifically find one that you’re agree was a good corp or that you’ve be able to verify had that rule. Most corps had minimum SP rules and this was before there was the ability to inject SP.

I’ve also been in many corps that had a minimum sp rule, and the reason for that wasn’t because they were afraid of new players coming in to AWOX them, it was because they had specific ships and doctrines that needed to be flown and new players had neither the skills nor the experience to fly them.

And even then, we did API checks to confirm their character. I think almost every competent, good corp used API to do a preliminary check of new recruits, wouldnt you agree?

[Aiko_Danuja]

Years ago, I pioneered this modern trend of point by point addressing each part of someone’s essay. I soon realized that this was a lot of work, and it was also ineffective as a means of communication.

I find that it’s better to address their statement as a whole, providing a succinct response which addresses the larger issue, rather than trying to debate each detail. For example, Lucas Kell is an idiot. With that single sentence, I have adequately addressed anything he might have said or will say in the future.

[Ugren_Okaski]

@Aiko_Danuja

For example, Lucas Kell is an idiot. With that single sentence, I have adequately addressed anything he might have said or will say in the future.

But surely there are some areas where his words are important?

[Sabus_Narian]

@Aiko_Danuja

Years ago, I pioneered this modern trend of point by point addressing each part of someone’s essay. I soon realized that this was a lot of work, and it was also ineffective as a means of communication.

I find that it’s better to address their statement as a whole, providing a succinct response which addresses the larger issue, rather than trying to debate each detail. For example, Lucas Kell is an idiot. With that single sentence, I have adequately addressed anything he might have said or will say in the future.

Lol PvP trash is angry

[Aiko_Danuja]

@Ugren_Okaski

surely there are some areas where his words are important?

It’s appropriate to quote once, even twice, but thrice is usually too much. When someone’s meaningless post interrupts a conversation, you can use a quote to get it back on track, as I have done here. Likewise, when someone says something particularly amusing or utterly stupid, you can quote it like so:

@Sabus_Narian

PvP trash is angry

This highlights how foolish or absurd their comment is. For example, notice how the miner is continuing to use the yellow face, unsure of its symbolic value, but convinced that he is somehow gaining some kind of mystical edge in the debate he is imagining.

Lucas isn’t worth quoting at all, he’s already had his fifteen minutes of spam, and has been demoted to Dracvlad status.

[Sabus_Narian]

@Aiko_Danuja

This highlights how foolish or absurd their comment is. For example, notice how he is continuing to use the yellow face, unsure of its symbolic value, but convinced that he is somehow gaining some kind of mystical edge in the debate he is imagining. Lucas isn’t worth quoting at all, he’s already had his fifteen minutes of spam, and has been demoted to Dracvlad status.

Calm down bro, why so angry?

[Aiko_Danuja]

Your perception of anger is symptomatic of your larger personality issues. I suggest you speak with a therapist about the imaginary anger. I am no more angry at you, than I am at a dying tree that I have decided to cut down and remove from my high security zone. You are infected with bot aspirancy, and James teaches us to pity the miners.

[Sabus_Narian]

Calm down, it is good to relax

[Aiko_Danuja]

Notice how the miner continues to engage in mimicry.

[Sabus_Narian]

Notice how the miner continues to engage in mimicry.

Calm down bro, anger is bad for the health

[Aiko_Danuja]

At this point, the miner is doubling down on his mimicry, desperately trying to utilize the CODE for himself. He knows this is how it’s done, but yet for some reason he simply can’t harness the power. What is wrong? He is a goofus.

[Sabus_Narian]

@Aiko_Danuja

At this point, the miner is doubling down on his mimicry, desperately trying to utilize the CODE for himself. He knows this is how it’s done, but yet for some reason he simply can’t harness the power.

What’s mimicry

[Aiko_Danuja]

@Sabus_Narian

What’s mimicry

[Sabus_Narian]

that makes no sense

[Aiko_Danuja]

Illiteracy is a common symptom of bot aspirancy.

[Sabus_Narian]

@Aiko_Danuja

Functional illiteracy is a common symptom of bot aspirancy.

[Aiko_Danuja]

Now the miner is attempting to communicate with hieroglyphics, reverting to his natural instincts. Here, the flower represents his hopes and aspirations, which he hopes to communicate symbolically. He wants to spread, growing big and strong, but he is a weed and must be weeded out.

[Sabus_Narian]

Now the miner is attempting to communicate with hieroglyphics, reverting to his natural instincts.

You gotta flower the rock to get the flower

[Aiko_Danuja]

The miner fancies himself to be a big flower, growing despite the hard rock of the high security zone. He is proud of himself, although incompetent, because he has chosen to plant himself outside the main throughfare, in Audaerne. He is convinced that he will be allowed to spread. Unfortunately, he is already doomed, and will inevitably be crushed.