Of course if i do not agree 100% with your argument that means i am 100% on the other side of the spectrum. You sound like a SJW.
And the obvious question is…to what end ? There’s no award for mining a billion tons of ore. There’s only one use for all that ore, and that is to make space ships…most of which will be combat ships. That is the end product, not a pile of ore or a pile of ISK. Miners moaning about PvP is on par with someone stuffing down a hot dog while moaning about the meat industry. If you mine…you are part of the PvP process whether you like it or not. And that makes every miner a valid PvP target. A miner cannot trade off the very material used to make PvP ships and then claim no involvement in PvP and demand safety from the consequences of their mining !
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Noticed this too, popcorn moment in there before too it seemed.
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This is the most valuable information thread every new pilot should read. This could even be considered print out material for future reading for if or when the next heated moment arise after being ganked.
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- They don’t know this.
- They don’t care about this if they do know, or wouldn’t care if they did know.
They come home from a long day of filling out TPS reports, and settle in for a nice evening of “mining for some iskies, at least until the missus starts bugging me again, he he.” That is their game. Trying to convince them that there’s more to it would be like…I actually came up with a good analogy for this. You know how there are people (everyone knows a guy like this) who just chug their favorite mass-produced piss-water? And you try to convince them to try some different styles or brands, but they never do because “beer is Bud Light, I ain’t want any of that other queer ■■■■”?
That’s how EVE is like to these casuals. They play their mining sim and if they receive an unexpected (in fact, unimagined) dose of PvP, surely that must be some kind of developer oversight…Why else would they do this? Wait, you mean it’s intentionally designed to be this way? How is this even legal!?
Just read Aiko’s blog.
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I think even miners could grasp that in supplying the materials for war…they make themselves part of that war. The supply chain has always been seen as a valid thing to attack. Miners cannot mine in isolation from the fact that everything in the game is geared towards combat. To mine is to engage in PvP…for mining is the very process from which all PvP arises.
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If you really cared about pvp you wouldnt agree to high sec suicide gank. PvP is only fun when fair, otherwise it’s cowardice. Sure supply lines are a valid target but high sec miners and industrialists supply everyone equally because they sell on the market.
So what, let them bore themselves to death. Why do you need to be the messiah that brings the news that theres more to the game? You think so highly of yourself?
So we have a new Blue? 
I’m glad you agree!
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They are unable to make that distinction. At best you might get someone taking out the barge because they “need some more Trit to replace the Raven those dang Guristas blew up.” I’ve sat in enough of those corporations that I know exactly what they talk about when they play, and how they rationalize their in-game activities.
By the way, I don’t blame these people. I don’t want to attribute malice to plain ignorance. It’s like you put a slab of juicy beef on a plate and leave the room while the dog’s still there. What, are you going to get mad at the dog because the steak is gone when you come back? Are you going to thrash Fido because it did exactly what a dog would do?
The real problem isn’t the population of mindless, basic miners playing the game, but the people who advocate for changing the game in order to be more palatable for such players, instead of, I don’t know, maybe changing the low-end industrial gameplay loop to be intrinsically rewarding enough for players to engage in. Use these people as content for the regular players, but give them enough so that they don’t feel like their time is wasted. Give every player the ability to earn free Omega for a single account if certain industrial milestones/achievements are met every month. Get them invested enough to stick around and pay for alts, despite the ganking.
No, I just kill them, and don’t really care, unless they chat me up to understand the motivations and/or ask for advice, in which case I always help them.
Also, letting players bore themselves to death is the worst possible gameplay design strategy. When players bore themselves to death, they’re 100% guaranteed to quit and never come back. At least some gank victims will continue playing, however.
See, when you want you can make up decent ideas.
Then you show your true nature. What makes you think you are superior to anyone else exactly?
Because I can blow them up, but they can’t blow me up.
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That makes you a coward and a bully, not exactly the pinacle of the human species.
That’s right!
Glad we agree.
You cannot breed and grow the very pigs the farmer takes to market…and then claim to be a vegetarian on ethical grounds.
Who talked about vegetarians here.
An analogy. You are supplying the material for war…yet demanding no consequence. You supply the very material that makes Catalysts, and then demand that the thing your ore has led to must not come back and bite you ! Whereas in fact that Catalyst biting you is perfect karma.
I don’t care about ganking. You can keep your list 
And why not, if there’s stuff on the market then pvp enthusiasts can engage in real pvp fights more often and with bigger fights. And pve/industrial enthusiasts can engage in whatever activity they like. EvE is a game, why not make it fun not only for the high sec griefers/bullies. Actually no, high sec griefers dont deserve to have fun.
That should be the karma you are talking about