The nice thing is nobody needs to hear you.
The game is the way it is. We are fine with that. If you want things to change, you will have to convince people. We don’t need to do anything.
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Stop burying me with lines of text.
I will cite this quote for the second time today.
“I have only made this letter longer because I have not had the time to make it shorter.” — Blaise Pascal
If you want to make an argument with me, it has to be 6 words or less.
Stop being lazy.
then stop putting your head in your afocal point of contact every time you attempt to speak.
Eve is fair. You just don’t understand it. You come at it like it’s a boxing match. You want to be paired up against a comparable opponent, and have all these rules in place in order to ensure a “fair fight.” But Eve doesn’t work like that. It’s more like war. It’s puts the if, when, where, who, and how in the hands of the players, to be determined by the person with the most skill. This puts an incredible amount of choice and agency in the hands of the players, and is one of the reasons why this game is so great.
If you find yourself in an unfair fight, it’s not because the game is unfair -it’s because you were outplayed. And instead of learning that you shouldn’t let your enemy dictate the terms of engagement, you sat around whining about what is or isn’t fair.
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+1 To this.
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I’m pretty sure you can sink a massive freighter in real life with just one cheap Soviet-era torpedo. Or a five-pound satchel charge at the water line. Those things are like paper-thin, because, surprise, all of their capacity is devoted toward carrying cargo. At all points in history, cargo vessels have been escorted by actual combat ships for defense. Even during the age of sail, when the line was a little bit more blurred because nearly all ships mounted some weaponry, ships dedicated toward carrying cargo were vastly weaker than warships, even those considerably smaller than them. When naval powers needed to transport something actually expensive, they’d stick it inside galleons or man-o-wars and such (and split cargo and send out multiples at a time).
So you’re kind of whining and pining for a reality that never actually existed. If you want the freighter to be safe, go and escort it. Surely a powerful and skilled mercenary like yourself can accomplish something like that?
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Ah yes, this reminds me of the wisdom of our ancient forefathers: “being literate is a trap. La-la-la-la I can’t hear you”.
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I don’t think you quite understand what that quote means.
This is a thread, with many very concise posts, not just a since piece by one author. That quote doesn’t apply to whether you read the entire thread or not.
Laziness is at the core of that issue.
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The game does not work like this. You do not understand Eve. You don’t know how it works. You do not know how to impose your will upon the universe of New Eden. This is the source of your frustration. And, since your lack of knowledge limits your agency to practically nothing, you feel like have no other recourse other than to spend a week lobbying for the removal of your enemy’s play style.
Now, I can continue to try to explain how Eve works to you, or even try to teach you useful tools, such as problem solving, risk management, and PvP avoidance, but what’s the point? You just, “nuh-uh,” anything I say, and seem completely disinterested in learning anything or growing as a player. In fact, didn’t you say that this game wasn’t for you? Or was that someone else? Regardless, I’m not sure there’s any point in trying to reach someone who insists I’m a cyberbully who is only interested in griefing.
Feel free to keep complaining though. This forum would be dead if it weren’t for all the arguing we do.
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Judge Sarn is the best ever!
In EvE, fights are determined with a 2d4 dice roll. There is a small cabal, composed mostly of @The_Mittani, @Aiko_Danuja, @Brisc_Rubal, and @Helicity_Boson. We each roll a dice, and whoever gets the highest number picks the winner. For example, in the recent war with Vily, the Mittani rolled a 5, I rolled a 7 (nice!) Brisc rolled a 4, and Helicity rolled a 2. So they asked me who I wanted to win, and I picked myself, and then lo and behold we arranged the whole outcome of the war to ensure that I am the most powerful person in the galaxy. This decision will remain in effect indefinitely.
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“Stuffing feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken” ~ Tyler Durden
Absolutely no relevance.
Again with the personal attacks, stop making assumptions based on nothing because i disagree with you. Eve is more than high sec ganking and you clearly dont understand it
Indeed, if you dont give me the information you want me to read, don’t expect me to read it.
But this is not possible in EvE. Combat ships have next to no cargo capacity. Should they release a ship with weapons, more defense but at the price of less cargo capacity that could be an argument, for the moment it is not.
No, he put an image of a somalian pirate boat and i answered as to how irrelevant this is. Please try to follow the conversation before talking.
This is amazing advice! I shall use this on on my boss next time he wants me to work on a project!
Thank you!
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It’s not a personal attack in the sense that I don’t want to engage with your argument. You’re just plain wrong. It’s like asserting that basketball games are determined by the team with the most height. Height is an advantage, sure, but there’s a wee bit more than goes into it than that. I mean, I am taller than Isaiah Thomas, but I’m pretty sure he’d make a fool of me if I tried playing him.
And no, I’m not making assumptions about you. I’m actually using something called reasoning (you should try it some time 
). See, when you say that outcomes are determined by numbers, you tell on yourself. You tell us that you do not understand the value of skill. And from that, we can conclude that you do not understand the value of skill because you don’t use it to over come your opponents’ advantages in terms of SP, Isk, and numbers. And if you aren’t using skill to overcome your enemies’ advantages, that tells us two things (1) you lack the player skill to do so and (2) you’re going to have a bad ■■■■■■■ time in a game that doesn’t ensure fair fights, but instead puts the if, who, what, when, where, and how of fights in the hands of players.
And so, when I say that you do not understand the game, and that that is the true source of your frustration, it’s because it’s the only logical conclusion to reach.
You don’t realize it, but you are practically screaming that you are a terrible player who doesn’t know what he is doing, and who doesn’t understand the game. And the reason why you don’t understand that you are telling on yourself is because that’s just how little you understand this game.
@MB_ThePhotographer Thanks for jumping the gun.
Now, as for evidence to back up my position, you can check out:
- Stitch Kaneland (Pure solo -no alts, no friends. Generally has to fight outnumbered)
- Eve Is Easy (99% of his videos is solo PvP -talks about things like on and off-grid separation in order to split up groups and pick them off)
- ChessurSB (small gang, usually fights outnumbered)
- EveLog (Solo PvP, but the first time I ever saw him stream, he was doing PvE in an astero, and leading my corp mates on a wild goose chase. He was talking ■■■■, stopping to hack cans, and they still couldn’t catch him. Besides being entertaining, it demonstrated the power of skill and how this game isn’t about throwing players into unfair fights. If you find yourself in a fight that you didn’t want to take, it was because you were out-■■■■■■■-played.)
Hell, even the nullblobs have to use their brains when fighting outnumbered. They’ll use Fabian tactics in wars, and use on and off grid separation against even bigger fleets in order to pick off people who get too far ahead of, or behind the fleet.
Hell, remember how much PAPI outnumbered the Imperium, and how Villy said that their goal was to completely destroy goons and move into Delve? Member? Now let me ask you this -who’s living in Delve right now Altese? Who the ■■■■ is living in Delve right now Altese?
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Holy crap. This dude has been playing for 5 years now, and still doesn’t understand how the game works.
The worst part about it though is that he isn’t an anomaly.
Fortunately, I know how to fix it. We need to coddle newbros more, reduce risk, and gradually move the game in a more casual direction. It won’t help these guys in the short term, but eventually all the HTFU players will leave. And then the carebears can make numbers go up without any griefers interfering with their ability to be bot aspirants… er… I mean, have fun. Fortunately, Ratatti is already on the case!
Sigh. That fanfest slide has me more worried than ever that CCP is going to move in a more casual direction. In fact, even the safety brigade seems to agree with me, because they’ve been a hell of a lot more vocal since fanfest.
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Although I don’t accept everything stated or implied by Cipolla’s ‘Basic Laws of Human Stupidity’, there is one thing of which I’m certain:
With sufficient effort on both sides, ignorance can be addressed through education. Stupidity, however, is untreatable.
Miners arguing for the removal of ganking will, if they succeed, be harming both others (in the short-term) and themselves (in the long-run). Essentially, Cipolla’s definition of the stupid person.
There’s no point in engaging with them; one’s time is better spent elsewhere.
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Gankers aren’t the ones who joined the game and then started whining for a play style to be removed to suit their whims.
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Bots?
What are you, stupid? Don’t you know/remember that EVE used to be a fair and cooperative game in the past, and then gankbaby griefers invaded it and started whining for CCP to nerf PvE and make it easier to kill honest players? It got so bad that CCP had to add CONCORD after a few years because the game turned into an absolute gankfest and everyone started leaving!
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