You probably should if you are asking for more of them. vOv
THere were players on both sides competing to do stuff. Sounds like PvP to me.
Have you been there? Theres a bit of ratting but its mostly PvP
SISI sever is a horrible idea, it is reimaged all the time.
The rest of your statement is assumptions and opinions, and hell we all have those.
JJ
I have never been there, unfortunately 
. But PvP didn’t start and make the story, the story was created that made a little PvP happen, then we had the creation of Pochven which reads like a space of it’s own for rules, but something different nevertheless.
And do agree, from YouTube and the like Pochven does seem like it has a fair bit of PvP especially with how the filaments work.
JJ
So what? Without PvP there is unlimited everything, you can buy anything for 1 isk, there’s no need for permanent imaging. Just buy a 15 billion isk marauder for 1 isk and run your missions.
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It is 100isk correction for you lol. But yeah I think if somehow SISI was not wiped and updated, this all of a sudden becomes a real thing for people to do. But no one want to build a facility start building something and CCP updates SISI and you have to go start back over. Hell maybe that appeals to someone but I can’t imagine who. If you could rat, mine, explore and do your own thing, it would be interesting to see how many people just choose that life. I guess you would need NPC orders, but hell don’t even want to get into that.
JJ
Well, it’s actually 0 isk, since it gets reset regularly.
You can run missions all day long and mine to your heart’s content.
If you invested a little time into make NPC orders, and NPC sell orders a little dynamic so everything isn’t simply 100 isk I think even I would be shocked how many people would opt for that. Because at the end of the day, you don’t mine for gold metals, or anything else in the game. People just doing random things to make more isk… so thinking about it a little with a little work mentioned above, I believe high sec and most of low sec would become very quite places.
JJ
I doubt that!
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My feelings are soooo hurt 
JJ
Think about it carefully please.
SISI offers extreme freedom. You no longer need to farm ISKs to plex your account, to be able to buy ships you want to fly but cannot afford, to buy skill injectors in order to be able to do what you want to do and pretty much nobody harass you there unless you do stuff in the very few main testing areas.
And if you don’t need to farm ISKs you can finally, finally do what you actually want to do in this game. Be it mindless afk mining, ratting in low/null or doing missions.
And because you don’t have to farm ISKs you are no longer “forced” to do tons of this in most efficient way possible to generate most ISKs (unless you enjoy doing it in this fashion).
Yes. Once per month or three it was? there is a reset that wipes everything and mirrors current state on Serenity. But why is this a problem? If you want to do PVE you just buy your ship again for 100 ISK and you jump right into it (if you didn’t have this ship on Serenity already in that case you won’t lose it), if you want to mine, same thing here. If you want to hack nullsec or wh sites, you just buy the ship and you are ready to go. You can even teleport around world to save time doing wothless jumps.
Industry is bit problematic as you cannot install too long jobs, but if you do it on existing structure in highsec or nullsec, then there is no problem you can do it.
If you want to build citadel, well that gets reset but so you can build it again can’t you? On Serenity it will be alive even shorter anyway if you are just solo player or corp of PVE only players.
No, all your arguments why SISI isn’t a thing are bs and you know it. You don’t want to play on SISI because when it resets and everything costs 100 ISK there is no point playing there. There are no achievements to be gained because everything is free and risk-free. It is the risk of losing (your ship) that makes the EVE interesting. This game doesn’t even offer anything more than that, without player interaction it is dead game with little to no content.
If it wasn’t that way, you and your kind would already be playing there for years. But you don’t.
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But then you have to ask…what are people mining for ? Just to have ISK ? To what end ? OK, so a person ends up with 100bn ISK from mining. So what ? Nobody knows what ISK anyone else has, so its not like anyone can brag about it.
Mining for its own sake has to be about the most futile and pointless activity there is. Sitting there for hours on end, accumulating ISK nobody knows or even cares about.
There is thus only one sensible reason for mining. And that is to get ISK to pay for ships. And as the market makes no differentiation between PvE and PvP ships…that means that attacking the miner is pre-empting them ever buying those ships. That is why miners are a perfectly valid target for gankers.
I am following you on this, skill injectors are not on SISI that I have seen before, maybe they are all ate up quickly, not sure to be fair, they are not there I do know that.
Following you here, and again I think on the right track in the conversation.
It wouldn’t be very impressive and this would be the hanging point to the idea of using SISI as a PvE server. If people can’t keep their progression on SISI, then they are not going to enjoy it. There needs to be somewhat of a market, hasn’t killed other MMO, but something better than SISI in the frame we are trying to use it, SISI as is, is perfect for practice.
Yes and no, a person might feel comfortable putting up a Engineering facility with a billion isk plus core in it, but maybe not so much on the Tranquility, especially since you are limited on the capitals to be built in low, and you need to be in Null to build supers and titans.
You had me all the way up to losing your ship is what makes it interesting. Losing a ship doesn’ t make eve any more interesting, maybe it does for you and that is fine.
I have never suggested removing player interaction, you can look through all my post here no issues. Interaction is needed, doing things together is fun, but to say only blowing each other up is the only interaction that is fun, well would be false.
Not sure what my kind is, but why don’t you go play on SISI and go to the combat site over and over and over no issues.
JJ
LOL no point arguing with a dumb ass, pochven is the most definitly not pve.
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Humans being humans I suppose. It is not all for isk, maybe a few in there want to build something and it saves them on the cost, but cost them a little time.
It is the base of the entire game, without it no one, and I mean no one would have anything in the game. Keep that in mind.
Your argument gets weaker by the day. The reason for mining is that EVERYTHING in the game is built from mining. Yes someone is going to replay and say if you do the career mission you get x, y, z, but I am talking about the very vast majority of everything in Eve is built by industrialist, that starts with miners.
JJ
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How is this thread even open wtf, same old stale argument’s, In an endless circle/
Yup, it is like beating my head against the wall, welcome to the club. There is no appetite to talk about getting rid of ganking or keeping ganking. A select few want to turn it into something else. And why the conversation never develops. It is sad, but so are a lot of the individuals, so what can you expect.
JJ
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But mining is not the end goal of the game. CCP didn’t just create a mining sim. Mining is the source of the supply chain for combat. And the supply chain has always been a valid target in war. You cannot mine the very materials for war and then proclaim your mining to be independent of all the nasty combat stuff and can people just leave you alone. If you mine the materials for war…you are part of that war !
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Why do you want to get rid of or nerf ganking ? I was doing PvE last night and a bunch of gankers were there too. I had to watch out not only for NPCs but also for the gankers suddenly showing up. And that made it all the more exciting. I have a Hecate to collect from Jita. Getting it out of there without being ganked will be fun ( in fact I’ll probably create a high EHP fitting just for that trip ). I can’t think of anything more boring than waltzing around highsec with zero risk.
What if you don’t want to be, and just want to profit off of other people dying while yourself being in complete safety?