The funny thing about these ganker types, if people used the killrights the correct way they would be no more.
There is no need for any killrights if you want to play AG against them.
They usually sit still on their spot so just bump them around with a Macha or an oversized-MWD-Cruiser for some time and they will log off / move system. Tornados hit nothing with their large artillery once they are moving in random directions with more than a few 100m/s and even the 720er M-Artillery loses a lot of impact if they cannot hit their target in a straight line.
Even Thrashers have difficulties because you can easily bump them into deep falloff, the high damage ammo does not reach very far.
I have yet to try ramming into a flashy catalyst blob with an MWD-Battleship, because in theory it should be enough to bump most of them like 3000m away from their target (or even bump the target) to significantly reduce the DPS they can apply effectively, however I am unsure how many you can actually hit with a bump or if you can it the target successfully if it is surrounded and webbed multiple times. But you Antigankers might test that on corplevel maybe? 
The nice thing about that is:
- you don’t get any timers for bumping
- you don’t have to wait until they agress anything
- you could even bump tethered flashys to prevent them warping all at a time
- you could bump their target when they go into warp so they land a few km off
In a HAC with oversized MWD it’s not even that risky, because if they try to agress you instead, just activate the Assault Damage Control and watch CONCORD doing their job.
Why are post of gank-haters always like this… Never admitting they were wrong. Never accepting arguments against their belief. Never learning from their mistakes.
Btw @Dracvlad please get your mind straight on whether you want nuke ganking from the game, or you want to make anti-ganking more viable. You claim it is the latter, yet everything you say and suggest confirms the first. Finally realize that without ganking there will be no anti-ganking.
If your agenda is to make antiganking great again stop writing nonsenses like that single miner, that is not paying attention and don’t run away beforehand, is supposed to be able to win against fleet of 5PvP ships that came to kill him. Stop saying that freighters are too easy/too cheap to kill. And that you cannot fit considerable tank on your mining ship to survive gank.
Then, perhaps then, we will start taking you seriously althought your reputation is in deep shiets already so doublful. But it would help.
You are fighting on two fronts. Nerf ganking to the ground AND make it easier for anti-gankers to disrupt the gankers.
Btw, you suggestions how to nerf gankers in order to allow anti-gankers to finally win are useless. As always, what happens is that you might “win” once or twice using a strategy that wasn’t possible before. But after that, when gankers adapts as they always do and from that point, you will get stuck again unable to win anymore and you will come screaming on forum with yet another nerf and the whole circle will repeat.
For example your suggestion to remove tethering. Ok so gankers will use stations again and instaundocks again. After which you will combat probe their instaundock and catch them once. After which that ganker prepares new super long instaundock bookmark, which he use next time and every time he will warp to that instaundock bm, he will make a new bm along the way which he uses next. Which is checkmate for you again as you are unable to adapt and instead will come whining on forum asking for your enemies to get nerfed. Which is pathetic really. If anti-ganking is in such bad spot right now as you claim, and it is not caused by lack of interest of players ie. your inability to find friends who would do this activity with you, why you are the only AG that constantly whines here? I didn’t notice @Githany_Red saying ganking is too easy and needs to be nerfed nor that antigankers needs some serious buffs in order to be able to exists.
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I don’t know how nado, but you won’t bump thrasher that is paying attention. Several players already tried to bump me, the moment I see I got bumped the first time (as I am usually doing something else and have only overview in corner of the screen visible) I either dock or rewarp if that bump was long and start paying attention and start moving between the the 2 bookmarks I use. Which is check-mate for bumpers and they always gave up. The most persistent one missed me three times before he realized he can’t win. Additionally new Jita undock makes it impossible to bump someone outside of the undock range assuming he is already not sitting close to the 0km end. Where I sit, nobody was able to bump me outside 0km yet.
So far “anti-gankers” killed me just twice out of maybe 100 killrights activated. In both cases I was completely afk understimating the threat as I was thinking “nobody activated KR on my for days so it will work”. So now I dock when I am truly afk. And that is another check-mate.
You just cannot prevent gankers at Jita to stop doing what they are doing no matter what. Even if you are successful and you manage to kill our ship with killright somewhow, we still undocks 15 minutes later with new Thraster or nado. Which itself drives away majority of anti-gankers as they see no point in what they are doing. Plus they almost always fail anyway.
Heh, just Vokan being Vokan again…
I have a Maller fit and four of them set up which is way better it has two 1600mm plates on it and has over 97k EHP. The objective is just to tackle. It is a combat ship and is being used as a combat ship are you going to define tackle as not combat?
You do realise that there are no tackle mods on that Mackinaw and if you did add that plus a prop mod it would be below the Maller. Which invalidates your argument, you should have quit while you were ahead. 
You can doubt all you want, but I can assure you that they have mining upgrade lasers fitted…
Yep, kill rights are wasted by people not using them or putting 0 or some stupid amount on them.
Done that, do you people even think before you say things, I would point out that bumping smaller ships is actually difficult and to think you could bump a thrasher if they are paying attention is laughable, but in my experience on Tornados is if you do this enough and they log. I found it easier just packing a HIC that made them log too.
Go try it, then report back. I will tell you that one of the AG tactics is to bump the targeted ship out of optimal, but when we do that they bring in counters and will try to blow up the bumping ship or turn off its MWD and web it, it does however slow them down, make them hesitant and reduces their DPS a bit.
Are you prepared to lose that HAC?
Reading and comprehension is hard, I said he proved me wrong, but it was not a mining ship…
My mind is very clear on this subject. It is you who is all over the place and throwing out wild accusations.
So me warning gankers that with the increase in subs and plex that the balance is likely to be applied to a single account player is not allowed? Can you hear yourself? And don’t forget that you are chosing to attack someone in protected space and thus are fighting against time based mechanics too, that time limitation is because you chose to attack in protected space, your choice, live with it!
That is the amusing thing, you lot do take me seriously because of all the effort you put in to insult and to deride. It was quite easy for me to come in this thread and expose where the real nerfs were applied and that in fact most gankers want to protect their farming.
You do know that tethering was a new thing introduced and was a massive buff to ganking. As I said there were people nabbing gankers on the undock and at their instras’s, we also had tornado gankers who were in safes near gates that we would sneak up on and active kill rights. All this was nerfed… So when you go off on this, think how little you really know.
It is not 15 minutes if they were blown up before they ganked something…
How much do you get wrong and you are telling me my reputation sucks, yeah my reputation with gankers sucks I know that, and that is because I keep telling it as it is.
Hardly a buff when it significantly reduced our ability to gank ppls. You can’t gank ppls undocking and docking to citadel you know?
So in fact it was a nerf as the disadvantages, ie. complete immunity from ganking at citadel, outweighted the advantages ie. (partial) immunity from getting caught by AG while being tethered at citadel aligning to gate where the gank will occur.
Well okay, if you gank our ganking thrasher or tornado then we don’t have to wait 15 minutes. But since when are you doing that? 
Does that have an impact at Jita 4-4 and on gates? Though with no structures allowed in Jita it is fine in that system at least…
There are people doing that, most notably Jita 4-4, they use kill rights and often post their kills in the AG chat channel.
Okay, clueless as always. What this means is that one has an option now to dock into citadel and unload the loot and sell the loot there. No longer you need to dock into Amarr or Jita at all.
Like as if it wasn’t possible to avoid ganking at jita dock/undock completely already…
Totally clueless. Drink a coffee or two to restart your brain. Seems you haven’t woke up yet this morning.
Are you telling me that you can put structures in Jita? You can’t, simple fact that you seem to be clueless on.
Jita 4-4 is the market hub, did you not know that?
Tethering has no impact on Jita 4-4 or Jita.
Since they remodelled Jita 4-4 it has got harder for the gankers on the station as there are multiple exits now, again you seem clueless on that too.
I repeat, in the AG chat channel there were two people who were routinely linking kills on Thrasher and Tornado gankers on which they had activated kill rights, to tell me I am clueless when I am telling you that is pretty clueless. I think you need the coffee…
Lol. Please stop making bigger fool of yourself than you already are. Get those cups of coffee and read again what you wrote above and what part of my initial post you quoted it to, better twice. And if you still won’t understand what I meant by that from the very beginning then rather don’t post at all. You are getting to @DrysonBennington level now. Which has been from the very start since you reappeared from a few days you gave us break
But also no MWD, afterburner. Applying that sort of rationale, I ‘can’ create a 120K EHP Gnosis, a 1200 DPS Praxis, or a Ferox with a range of 170km. But they all have downsides as well. The Gnosis has no mwd/afterburner, and almost half its cost is in rig slots, the Praxis has appalling tracking, and the Ferox takes a big hit on EHP.
The only person making a fool of themselves is you.
I got called clueless by you for informing you that there were people who were taking out Tornado & Thrasher gankers at Jita 4-4 and linking their kills in the AG chat channel, seriously…
And if you were talking about the inability to gank people undocking or docking from citadels that was only true as being a benefit before CCP adjusted the market fees to screw over Test and the TTT. Because of that it is irrelevant and meaningless, which is why I pointed out that it has no impact because Jita…
Industrial core II goes Brrrrt though.
You do actually talk sense 99% of the time.
What’s wrong is the amount of effort you and everyone else puts into this non issue 
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I think they like to chant banalities and throw insults. They don’t like reasoned arguments from people that they cannot brainlessly pin down as a care-bear. I think they were rather thrown by the much greater and more damaging nerf’s to AG that I detailed. I think their heads exploded a little… 
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Which does not mean it isn’t a viable fit.
The way I fly, if one is warping into an anom or belt and then slowboating to rocks then time is needlessly being wasted. A cheap T1 combat frigate with an MWD can quickly make bookmarks and perches as needed. In the case of belts, those perches last a long time. In these piloting styles, having a prop mod is unnecessary.
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You should have realized by the ever changing goalposts, contradictions and general nonsense, that you are talking to a troll account run by multiple different people. Whichever Drac you are trying to argue with, the next Drac is just going to flip over the board and the game starts from the beginning.
One of Dracvlad’s alts is @DKslopoke, there is irrefutable proof of this. Just ask my friends, people I really trust and you can totally trust me alleging this, because I have a stellar reputation and my word is worth a lot.
Yeah I know. And I even wrote before I am done with him. But idk, when he left and this abomination JJ poked out his head and started his massive spam campaign, in order to at least win against gankers in amount of posts if not by arguments, I started to miss him.
And I was in good mood so when he came back I actually read what he wrote and replied. It was a bait though. I should have know better. I think I will just reply for last time and then he receives block treatment…
But maybe you are like him and despite blocking him you will still reply to his posts. 
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