Then you’ve just negated 99% of your very own argument. If there’s no causation between ganking and falling player numbers…then eliminating ganking is not going to cause the player numbers to rise. So there’s no need to eliminate it. Once again all anyone need do is use your own words to damn you.
LOL ! So now you’re suddenly an expert on the psychology of new players too !
Says who ? You just totally made that up.
Reduce, but not eliminate?
Lucas : ‘I’m not saying it’s causation.’
Lucas : ’ I’m not saying there’s no causation.’
Your own words !
How many more times are you going to make multiple mutually exclusive comments in the course of a couple of posts ?
Heck…nobody really needs to argue with you. You do a damned good job of it youself !
Nice topic, I enjoy.
Heresy question: If miners could mine unlimited in max-yield fits in all these Hulks full of ORE Strip miners, the overall mining amount would surely skyrocket? Which means the price for Ores would go down? Which means the price for ships would go down? Which means PvPers could replace their PvP losses with much less ISK-grind? Alliances could replace fleets much easier for more big battles? Wouldnt it be a win-win-win-win situation? Except for the gankers for course.
LOL. Removing ganking isn’t catering to the PvE players. It is removing a core tenet of the game.
Also everyone is a PvPer my boy 
Once they undock they consent my boy. Everyone is a PvP player
Then don’t play EVE my boy
What engine do you think drives this economy LOL.
Sage advice.
ROFL
Again with the lies about CCP LOL. Also why don’t you teach the noobs if you’re so concerned bro?
My guy, you deleted all your old comments to evade things. You got no leg to stand on ROFL.
Mmm no. There are plenty of tools to avoid ganking. Ships have certain roles and need to remain in those LOL.
He doesn’t care really. The sad part is it’ll just be a slow death of the game after that.
LOL I doubt that bro. You just got ganked and are salty. It happens.
How could you know? The situation has never happened before LOL. Also you quit trading remember?
Play Dune
I did that yesterday. All I got was an angry Russian. Sadly no one talks in local, although I’m trying to bring it back LOL.
LOL, the fact that you don’t care, shows it all my dude
You realize people barely lose ships to PvE once competent right? Only the Abyss takes ships regularly.
She is right. Demand would go down as would prices.
LOL that’s hilarious.
How so? Its part of the game bruv. Ganking isn’t anti player behavior.
Huh. Who knew selling your char would also make you 180 on ganking.
You didn’t actually. You’re ducking cause you know she got you dead to rights again
None of that is true tho LOL.
My guy, you know we’re discussing a vidya game right? Who needs to be a “productive member of society” in a vidya game?
Citation needed
Carebear mentality is overrunning all sectors of space, You try harder.
Missing the big picture?
Build capitals non stop and crush your enemies with them, the market is beginners level in the meta game.
You do understand that it takes “carebears” to make this game work…right?
Of course they impact “all sectors of space”. How could it be otherwise?
I don’t think you have a firm grasp of how things work, you could try reading.
I doubt CCP would let mining volumes skyrocket again. The presentation from CCP Larrikin at Fanfest pretty much outlined the impact of the “Reign of the Rorqual” and I don’t think CCP have any appetite for mining to get too far away from historical values again:
So with recent history and what the game had to go through for the last couple of years to compensate for the previous 3 years, I don’t think CCP will let a situation arise where mining amount would skyrocket again and if it emerged in an unintended way, I think they’d be much quicker to redress the situation again.
I see a problem (in my opinion) with Eve’s direction right on the slide where CCP tries to differentiate ganking from griefing where it says a player has no reason to expect being attacked. Historically, there was always a reason to expect an attack: You’re playing Eve.
Totally agree. There seems to have been a shift in attitude at CCP in recent years with a view emerging that non-consensual pvp isn’t an standard expectation and something they want to limit in highsec.
For whatever reason, the current devs attitudes are different than the previous devs and certainly miles away from the original devs of the game.
I hope they produce results from their new approach, but so far, decline is at a faster rate than ever.
To “make Eve work” absolutely does not require farming FW sites in lowsec, you could try reading.
Definitely not to make EVE work, though Faction Warfare itself is based around PVE to get to the point of system flipping.
The core mechanics of Faction Warfare unfortunately include a grind that for years has been farmed, but also been a necessary activity for both attackers and defenders of systems. The PVPers in Faction Warfare hate the grind just as much as neutrals disrespect the farming alts for it, but there’s no excape from it in terms of how the game is currently designed.
Sir,
I only referred to industrialists in my statement. How you turned it into FW in LS I can only imagine.
I think people have different definitions of carebears. To me, it’s a term of derision that applies to players that believe they can exist in their own little bubble without being effected by those around them, and then react psychotically when that isn’t true. Miners who start screaming racist obscenities when they are ganked, blinged out mission runners who start with the death threats when they get popped. And no, Eve does not need them to work.
Everyone here is very aware of how ore is mined and ships are made. Assuming that some guy whining when his exhumer gets popped is somehow the backbone of how eve works is ridiculous. Check out the mining data from delve if you want to see the actual mining workhorses of Eve.
Agreed. I should have been more specific.
Apologies
But you’ve spent the last 5 billion posts arguing precisely that. And now you’re saying you don’t actually believe the very thing that you stated with such certainty all along.
A position on ganking can really only be the result of data or direct experience. I don’t see it harming the game at all. Nothing that I’ve seen in Why Was I Ganked or in corp chat or local even remotely suggests that noobs are fleeing Eve en masse due to ganking. Usually what I see is lots of defiant people. Ironically the only people I know of personally who have left Eve did so because they were ‘bored’.
EvE is not pay to win…
However if someone wants to spend a lot of cash on EvE and be really really stupid…then there is always a player that will prove to them how wrong they are and separate them from their fantasy with a reality bat wrapped in barbed wire.
Very nice!
Isanamo is a great place to grief.
Yeah but it is though