I wish. I really am a proponent of only Omega accounts being able to post on here LOL.
The whole point of ganking peeps is the loot scooping LOL.
Again, I have a single account. I’m not gonna waste time training up an alt and lose time on Gix LOL.
So you deny multi-boxing in the past? So you were lying about the ganker accounts right?
Not really ROFL. Or maybe yennoe, people play the game how they want? You realize people see right thru this smokescreen right? Its cute ROFL.
Oh no sir. You def don’t enjoy it at all anymore. And yes, you are jealous of their success. Moreover, you are jealous of their joy of the game.
Why else would you be out here trying to grief people’s playstyles?
Credibility my guy
What proof do you have her alleged alt is a ganker? ROFL. Yennoe, I know someone else who always accuses people of being gankers with no proof simply for disagreeing with him. Huh. Weird that
You wouldn’t be able to post then my guy
Not the gankers problem LOL.
If they can’t deal, don’t play. Its very simple. There are much more relaxing games out there. Stardew for example
Vidya games are optional my guy, they can opt out at any time
You know this is just the thing. CCP wants to eat its cake and have it too. They misadvertise the game, create a false impression and everyone involved suffer for it, both the gankers and the ones being ganked or PvPers in general and those who expect safety in hisec and whatnot.
Like how they create the impression this game should be allowed to be played by kids while it clearly has adult themes and an environment not necessarily suitable for them and by this create situations which just harm the game and its players in general by both sides of an encounter being lied to and frustrated.
If the game was adult rated as it should be this should not be the case and any adult crying over lost space pixels would be just laughed at by everyone and if they had mental health issues they should have been taken care of by their loved ones and not let to play a game that harms them.
This could be said about kids too but obviously it is not a mental health issue just them being immature due to their age and parents can hide behind the excuse of the age rating and rightfully blame the game and CCP for not being as advertised.
Of course CCP and the rating board hides behind the excuse of online interactions are not rated (ignoring the themes themselves) but everyone can see that is just a BS excuse. The game should be adults only and done.
Also there is the case of advertising the game as suitable for casual players and not clearly stating it is an all and everywhere PvP game where getting your stuff blown up is rather to be expected. Making this prominent in their ads and promo material like in the past instead of the current approach.
Of course these and other such examples just show how disingenuous CCP is and is part of the problem out of greed and wanting all the players they can get even if by lies instead of being honest and maybe earn less, though I personally think they would gain more people that way.
So really the one to blame for all this is CCP first and foremost, even if some players might also be responsible (am not here to debate that point and which players and how much are responsible am here to point out CCP as a serious reason for the issues).
Btw I personally don’t care about this thread and the eons old debate beyond munching some popcorn while casually scrolling through the posts every now and then. There is a reason this trash bin exists in the first place.
Though funny thing the same was to be said about the afk cloaky thread and eventually CCP actually did something about that one though your mileage may vary whether you consider it a proper solution or not.
However it shows that complaining long enough might make CCP change their stance even if just somewhat and not entirely. So I guess despite I see this fruitless in the end it might eventually produce some results if enough people keep on complaining to CCP… who knows.
Sadly I think Lucas’s crying will eventually gain traction with CCP.
They’ll go the same route as UO one day likely sadly.
But at least we’ll always have memories of when EVE was EVE
Wut. How would it be wrong? That’s how you make the monies LOL.
Unless of course you were only doing it for the griefing huh? Figures
Why? So now you support your “P2W”? Interesting
That is the definition of the ick and boomer right there my guy
ROFL, you inform people of their own views all the time my guy.
LOL. Its very far from that. You don’t care about EVE my guy. Its very obvious
My guy, you made the claim first. That onus is on you. I await you proving her alleged alt is a ganker
Remember, you always argue in good faith right? So you must know you made the claim first, thereby the onus of proof is on you, right?
Yep
If they aren’t equipped to play the game, yes they should leave. They will do far more harm by staying and crying to attempt to get the game changed.
They should realize what game they chose to play LOL.
Bro you got zero empathy LOL. Why you fronting?
Because EVE is an open world PvP game where you consent to PvP as soon as you undock
But I thought ganking was a huge problem? If there is no counterplay, how do you beat the gankers then?
If they are the bottom of the barrel, how are they succeeding?
You mean bots that get paid to play
I was talking in general. If it is proven someone deliberately tries to harass another player that is already covered by the EULA. The constant debate mostly seems about the grey area or middle ground or the part where it is based on your view what is griefing and what the intent is for the pew pew.
But a proper age rating would cover the ambiguity of those gray areas as well as an adult is expected to be having an adult mindset instead of behaving like a child and if they do nobody cares and rightfully so. However despite being wrong doing so parents, the kids themselves, CCP and the rating board all hide behind excuses and feel convinced the issue is not them and based on the age rating and how EVE is presented currently they have an argument.
(So I was not talking about edge cases and the extreme end of the spectrum.)
Didn’t say I feel no empathy but CCP nor players can’t evaluate the health status of each player and decide if they are fit for what’s to come. Basically that is why age rating is a thing (in theory) so people (based on their age and thus expected maturity level) would not be put up with things they might not be able to handle.
It is the parents’ responsibility to take care of their kids as it is expected the kids themselves might be unable to do so and the age rating tells parents what to expect from a game to make that decision. If they are responsible parents they act accordingly. But if the game contains stuff beyond the age rating (even the online interactions) then clearly they will just claim they were lied to and the gam provides something they rightfully did not expect.
In case of adults they should act responsibly and restrain themselves if needed. Of course someone with mental health issues might not be able to do this on their own, thus someone has to do it for them. CCP nor the players can’t be expected to do this as most probably they don’t know about it in the first place and unreasonable to expect them to proactively monitor and assess the mental health of someone might not even willingly tell about it in the first place. Thus it is the loved ones of such people that should take care of them, that’s just the reality of the situation and if they have nobody to take care then unfortunately they are in a bad place.
Having empathy for them doesn’t change the fact that someone should take care of them as they probably can’t on their own and it is unreasonable to expect CCP or other players to do it for them.
Of course this still doesn’t mean harassment is okay or exploiting someone’s mental health issue if they know about it. But something unbearable for someone like that might be totally normal or at least bearable for an average person. And again targeted harassment even against average people should not be allowed and is currently already is against the EULA so if reported CCP should act upon it (although the damage by then is already done I guess).
So it was not a lack of compassion just the reality of the situation what I wrote there.
What could happen is that the new Currency issued / rewarded from Faction War could also be used to purchased crates full of raw materials at a set price and then sold for on the New Lowsec Marketplace that works like a auction of sorts.
Once these creates are opened then can be transported to the New trade hubs around Highsec Faction Controlled locations and sold like normal materials and or turned into production via industry.
Crates then replace the need to mine ore forcing miners into Faction War to feed their desire to manufacture items with their Industry requirements.
Nerf Ganking Solved via Crates and Faction War becomes the main focus for the next two years!
Let’s suppose this is true… It means that gankers are not violating the EULA, and they are careful to avoid violating the EULA.
Sounds like good behaviour to me.
You should have read the thd from the start. That’s a very old threat.
Today’s media would have a field day with something like that. Please try again.
As I wrote actual harassment and trying to deliberately harm someone is already covered by the EULA so clearly that part was about not such cases.
A simple lol you died
can trigger a kid which might be silly but somewhat understandable but still should be able to handle it and if not the parents should restrain the kid from playing such games, an adult might be irritated by but should be able to handle it, but someone with depression or other mental health issue might get harmed by it and turn into some nasty consequences.
I think it’s disgusting that you are trying to use suicide, and threats of suicide, as a ‘tactic’ for ingame advantage.
There are people who would suffer a hernia playing a game of Scrabble. Shall we ban Scrabble ? Seriously, you are scraping the bottom of the barrel for excuses.
LOL. This quote alone reveals how much you know about ganking and why it takes more than one account.
I’ll leave you to figure it out my guy
So you support P2W. Got it
Sorry bruv, thems the brakes.
Oh? Then why grief people’s playstyles my guy?
So you acknowledge you argue in bad faith. Thankee
Wut. This passage makes zero sense. How do know they are addicted to EVE? If so, why is that bad? Maybe because they glean enjoyment from doing something you no longer can enjoy hm?
Also yes, they paid to enjoy a game that is an open world PvP game where they consent to PvP as soon as they undock
Evasion is counterplay my guy, as has been pointed out to you. So you agree there is counterplay, as you yourself engage in it to avoid being ganked. Thankee for admitting that
Exactly. And that isn’t good for the health of the game So you agree ganking is good
So people obeying the EULA means it isn’t working? Wild
Wow. This is def a wild conjecture LOL. Its inevitable but hasn’t happened in almost 20 years? Huh.
Well it does lend credence to my theory as to who his alt is
You refer to that guy who was in goons (I think) and whose supposed brother was claimed to suicide as a result of someone harassing him but if I recall correctly turned out to be not true or not proven and who not long ago quit the forum to go play Elite along with one or few others who might also be just alts?
Sounds familiar but no haha.
More like the guy who threw a tantrum on the forums and said to be quitting it, only to come back sporadically but then now has disappeared again LOL.
I disagree.
Had to look up this creepy subject. Not 1 death from being greifed/ganked. Lots of other reasons in other games. Thats sad.
Just a thought that passed my mind, not sure how accurate but hey maybe you find it useful… or not, whatever: Maybe someone like you or even a group of like minded individuals could do some research into this, drumming up and seeking out affected people and whatnot to see how many are affected and maybe compile a list or something and present it to CCP to encourage them and kickstart such an insight and investigation.
It would also aid that cause if such people would be encouraged to post on the forums to empower this cause to show their numbers. Although they should be able to handle the forums for that which not everyone is capable of.
Either way probably would aid your cause if you and others provided evidence for the claims to make it more valid and show its prevalence which might have more impact on CCP changing policy and sooner than just constant back and forth between the same people on the forums.
Just a random idea.