Nerf Ganking Megathread

[Lucas_Kell]

@Gix_Firebrand

The whole point of ganking peeps is the loot scooping

Then you were doing it wrong.

@Gix_Firebrand

Again, I have a single account. I’m not gonna waste time training up an alt and lose time on Gix

Don’t then, get a few injectors or MCT.

@Gix_Firebrand

So you deny multi-boxing in the past?

I don’t deny multiboxing even now. Running a 20 man mining fleet hoovering up all that ore while I play lawn mowing simulator.

@Gix_Firebrand

Oh no sir. You def don’t enjoy it at all anymore.

Thanks for informing me of my own views, I was unaware.

@Gix_Firebrand

Why else would you be out here trying to grief people’s playstyles?

I’m putting my opinion forward on what would be positive changes for the overall longevity of the game.

@Gix_Firebrand

What proof do you have her alleged alt is a ganker?

What proof do you have its not?

@Gix_Firebrand

You wouldn’t be able to post then my guy

You sure about that?

@Gix_Firebrand

If they can’t deal, don’t play. Its very simple.

It’s not that simple, since the survival of the game relies on fewer people leaving going forwards. So saying “just leave then” isn’t really helpful.

@Uriel_the_Flame

You know this is just the thing. CCP wants to eat its cake and have it too. They misadvertise the game, create a false impression and everyone involved suffer for it, both the gankers and the ones being ganked or PvPers in general and those who expect safety in hisec and whatnot.

I’m not sure that’s entirely true though, because I’ve never seen actual advertisements that advertise that new players will get targeted by bored veterans or that they’ll get dragged into channels to by psychologically manipulated.

@Uriel_the_Flame

if they had mental health issues they should have been taken care of by their loved ones and not let to play a game that harms them

Sheesh. Empathy not your thing, huh?

@Uriel_the_Flame

where getting your stuff blown up is rather to be expected

Why? I fly all over and rarely lose stuff. You only need to expect that if you are pretty new because you’ll deliberately be targeted by the bottom of the barrel combat pilots. Most combat PvP in the game you have to somewhat aim to engage in.

@Uriel_the_Flame

it might eventually produce some results if enough people keep on complaining to CCP

I don;t think it’ll make a jot of difference either way. I think that a combination of their internal data on retention, the success rate of the new China server and the pattern of people paying cash for assets if those assets are immediately at risk, these are the factors that will matter.

[Gix_Firebrand]

@Lucas_Kell

Then you were doing it wrong.

Wut. How would it be wrong? That’s how you make the monies LOL.

Unless of course you were only doing it for the griefing huh? Figures

@Lucas_Kell

Don’t then, get a few injectors or MCT.

Why? So now you support your “P2W”? Interesting

@Lucas_Kell

I don’t deny multiboxing even now. Running a 20 man mining fleet hoovering up all that ore while I play lawn mowing simulator.

That is the definition of the ick and boomer right there my guy

@Lucas_Kell

Thanks for informing me of my own views, I was unaware.

ROFL, you inform people of their own views all the time my guy.

@Lucas_Kell

I’m putting my opinion forward on what would be positive changes for the overall longevity of the game.

LOL. Its very far from that. You don’t care about EVE my guy. Its very obvious

@Lucas_Kell

What proof do you have its not?

My guy, you made the claim first. That onus is on you. I await you proving her alleged alt is a ganker

Remember, you always argue in good faith right? So you must know you made the claim first, thereby the onus of proof is on you, right?

@Lucas_Kell

You sure about that?

Yep

@Lucas_Kell

It’s not that simple, since the survival of the game relies on fewer people leaving going forwards. So saying “just leave then” isn’t really helpful.

If they aren’t equipped to play the game, yes they should leave. They will do far more harm by staying and crying to attempt to get the game changed.

They should realize what game they chose to play LOL.

@Lucas_Kell

Sheesh. Empathy not your thing, huh?

Bro you got zero empathy LOL. Why you fronting?

@Lucas_Kell

Why?

Because EVE is an open world PvP game where you consent to PvP as soon as you undock

@Lucas_Kell

I fly all over and rarely lose stuff.

But I thought ganking was a huge problem? If there is no counterplay, how do you beat the gankers then?

@Lucas_Kell

You only need to expect that if you are pretty new because you’ll deliberately be targeted by the bottom of the barrel combat pilots

If they are the bottom of the barrel, how are they succeeding?

@Lucas_Kell

the success rate of the new China server

You mean bots that get paid to play

[Uriel_the_Flame]

@Lucas_Kell

I’m not sure that’s entirely true though, because I’ve never seen actual advertisements that advertise that new players will get targeted by bored veterans or that they’ll get dragged into channels to by psychologically manipulated.

I was talking in general. If it is proven someone deliberately tries to harass another player that is already covered by the EULA. The constant debate mostly seems about the grey area or middle ground or the part where it is based on your view what is griefing and what the intent is for the pew pew.

But a proper age rating would cover the ambiguity of those gray areas as well as an adult is expected to be having an adult mindset instead of behaving like a child and if they do nobody cares and rightfully so. However despite being wrong doing so parents, the kids themselves, CCP and the rating board all hide behind excuses and feel convinced the issue is not them and based on the age rating and how EVE is presented currently they have an argument.

(So I was not talking about edge cases and the extreme end of the spectrum.)

@Lucas_Kell

Sheesh. Empathy not your thing, huh?

Didn’t say I feel no empathy but CCP nor players can’t evaluate the health status of each player and decide if they are fit for what’s to come. Basically that is why age rating is a thing (in theory) so people (based on their age and thus expected maturity level) would not be put up with things they might not be able to handle.

It is the parents’ responsibility to take care of their kids as it is expected the kids themselves might be unable to do so and the age rating tells parents what to expect from a game to make that decision. If they are responsible parents they act accordingly. But if the game contains stuff beyond the age rating (even the online interactions) then clearly they will just claim they were lied to and the gam provides something they rightfully did not expect.

In case of adults they should act responsibly and restrain themselves if needed. Of course someone with mental health issues might not be able to do this on their own, thus someone has to do it for them. CCP nor the players can’t be expected to do this as most probably they don’t know about it in the first place and unreasonable to expect them to proactively monitor and assess the mental health of someone might not even willingly tell about it in the first place. Thus it is the loved ones of such people that should take care of them, that’s just the reality of the situation and if they have nobody to take care then unfortunately they are in a bad place.

Having empathy for them doesn’t change the fact that someone should take care of them as they probably can’t on their own and it is unreasonable to expect CCP or other players to do it for them.

Of course this still doesn’t mean harassment is okay or exploiting someone’s mental health issue if they know about it. But something unbearable for someone like that might be totally normal or at least bearable for an average person. And again targeted harassment even against average people should not be allowed and is currently already is against the EULA so if reported CCP should act upon it (although the damage by then is already done I guess).

So it was not a lack of compassion just the reality of the situation what I wrote there.

[Iceacid_Frostpacker]

What could happen is that the new Currency issued / rewarded from Faction War could also be used to purchased crates full of raw materials at a set price and then sold for on the New Lowsec Marketplace that works like a auction of sorts.

Once these creates are opened then can be transported to the New trade hubs around Highsec Faction Controlled locations and sold like normal materials and or turned into production via industry.

Crates then replace the need to mine ore forcing miners into Faction War to feed their desire to manufacture items with their Industry requirements.

Nerf Ganking Solved via Crates and Faction War becomes the main focus for the next two years!

[Lucas_Kell]

@Gix_Firebrand

How would it be wrong? That’s how you make the monies

Well you were ganking ships that had no potential for good drops in ships that cost more than the target, so by your definition you were doing it wrong.

@Gix_Firebrand

Why? So now you support your “P2W”? Interesting

You can buy these things with ISK. But even with the P2W stuff, I disagree with it but while it’s there people should take advantage of it if they want to.

@Gix_Firebrand

That is the definition of the ick and boomer right there my guy

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@Gix_Firebrand

you inform people of their own views all the time my guy.

Incorrect.

@Gix_Firebrand

Its very far from that. You don’t care about EVE my guy.

Incorrect.

@Gix_Firebrand

I await you proving her alleged alt is a ganker

You have my permission to continue waiting.

@Gix_Firebrand

If they aren’t equipped to play the game, yes they should leave. They will do far more harm by staying and crying to attempt to get the game changed.

I disagree. If they are going to be paying consumers and they outnumber the gankers that’ll ragequit if changes come in (which is basically zero because most of the gankers are addicted to EVE) then they are positive for the game.

@Gix_Firebrand

If there is no counterplay, how do you beat the gankers then?

Evasion != counterplay. Then again I rarely fly in highsec.

@Gix_Firebrand

If they are the bottom of the barrel, how are they succeeding?

Because they predominantly shoot brand new, inexperienced players.

@Gix_Firebrand

You mean bots that get paid to play

If it brings CCP cash I don’t think they care. Why do you think they allow fleets of mining bots to mine every single day for years on end? Because it’s countless omega subs and pumps the activity numbers.

@Uriel_the_Flame

The constant debate mostly seems about the grey area or middle ground or the part where it is based on your view what is griefing and what the intent is for the pew pew.

Sure, but I don’t think CCP every really pushed advertising on that grey area. There seems to be a cohort of people who joined with that belief but I’ve never found any actual advertising that pushes it.

@Uriel_the_Flame

But a proper age rating would cover the ambiguity of those gray areas as well as an adult is expected to be having an adult mindset instead of behaving like a child and if they do nobody cares and rightfully so.

Possibly, there’s a good chance it’d just be the nail in CCPs coffin though. Aside from the immediate loss of all accounts with under 18 players, while adults don’t necessarily get upset they do value their time and negative progress in a game can cause them to look elsewhere for entertainment. CCP are fighting an increasingly growing market of competitors for players, and most of those players aren’t vets already devoted to EVE.

@Uriel_the_Flame

Didn’t say I feel no empathy but CCP nor players can’t evaluate the health status of each player and decide if they are fit for what’s to come.

Sure, but CCP can look at outcomes and adjust their rules. If people are deliberately winding up other players into extreme reactions for blog content they absolutely should look to limit that behaviour.

@Uriel_the_Flame

In case of adults they should act responsibly and restrain themselves if needed.

I like how it’s the responsibility of the target to restrain themselves but the people deliberately trying to provoke outrage apparently don’t need to.

@Uriel_the_Flame

And again targeted harassment even against average people should not be allowed and is currently already is against the EULA so if reported CCP should act upon it

It is and sometimes people get banned but gankers have been refining this behaviour for years to make sure they skate the edge of the EULA. I’ve said before that at some point someone is going to off themselves after this kind of thing and it’s only at that point when EVE gets splashed all over the news for killing someone that CCP will care. It’s inevitable when you have a group refining their ability to psychologically torture their targets.

[Aiko_Danuja]

@Lucas_Kell

gankers have been refining this behaviour for years to make sure they skate the edge of the EULA

Let’s suppose this is true… It means that gankers are not violating the EULA, and they are careful to avoid violating the EULA.

Sounds like good behaviour to me.

[MB_ThePhotographer]

@Lucas_Kell

EVE gets splashed all over the news for killing someone

You should have read the thd from the start. That’s a very old threat.

[Lucas_Kell]

@Aiko_Danuja

It means that gankers are not violating the EULA, and they are careful to avoid violating the EULA.

It means the EULA is no longer doing what it’s supposed to be doing.

@MB_ThePhotographer

You should have read the thd from the start. That’s a very old threat.

Sure, because it’s inevitable. You can’t have a game where griefing is allowed and then expect that to never result in a tragedy. Honestly I’d be surprised if it hasn’t already happened but not been picked up by the media. CCP knows it too, which is why Broadcast 4 Reps exists.

[MB_ThePhotographer]

@Lucas_Kell

I’d be surprised if it hasn’t already happened but not been picked up by the media.

Today’s media would have a field day with something like that. Please try again.

[Uriel_the_Flame]

@Lucas_Kell

I like how it’s the responsibility of the target to restrain themselves but the people deliberately trying to provoke outrage apparently don’t need to. I’d honestly rather keep the people with mental health issues and get rid of the sociopathic lunatics, thanks.

As I wrote actual harassment and trying to deliberately harm someone is already covered by the EULA so clearly that part was about not such cases.

A simple lol you died can trigger a kid which might be silly but somewhat understandable but still should be able to handle it and if not the parents should restrain the kid from playing such games, an adult might be irritated by but should be able to handle it, but someone with depression or other mental health issue might get harmed by it and turn into some nasty consequences.

[Aiko_Danuja]

I think it’s disgusting that you are trying to use suicide, and threats of suicide, as a ‘tactic’ for ingame advantage.

[Altara_Zemara]

@Lucas_Kell

There are people with mental health issues who may not be able to deal with it for example

There are people who would suffer a hernia playing a game of Scrabble. Shall we ban Scrabble ? Seriously, you are scraping the bottom of the barrel for excuses.

[Gix_Firebrand]

@Lucas_Kell

Well you were ganking ships that had no potential for good drops in ships that cost more than the target, so by your definition you were doing it wrong.

LOL. This quote alone reveals how much you know about ganking and why it takes more than one account.

I’ll leave you to figure it out my guy

@Lucas_Kell

You can buy these things with ISK. But even with the P2W stuff, I disagree with it but while it’s there people should take advantage of it if they want to.

So you support P2W. Got it

@Lucas_Kell

Incorrect.

Sorry bruv, thems the brakes.

@Lucas_Kell

Incorrect.

Oh? Then why grief people’s playstyles my guy?

@Lucas_Kell

You have my permission to continue waiting.

So you acknowledge you argue in bad faith. Thankee

@Lucas_Kell

I disagree. If they are going to be paying consumers and they outnumber the gankers that’ll ragequit if changes come in (which is basically zero because most of the gankers are addicted to EVE) then they are positive for the game.

Wut. This passage makes zero sense. How do know they are addicted to EVE? If so, why is that bad? Maybe because they glean enjoyment from doing something you no longer can enjoy hm?

Also yes, they paid to enjoy a game that is an open world PvP game where they consent to PvP as soon as they undock

@Lucas_Kell

Evasion != counterplay. Then again I rarely fly in highsec.

Evasion is counterplay my guy, as has been pointed out to you. So you agree there is counterplay, as you yourself engage in it to avoid being ganked. Thankee for admitting that

@Lucas_Kell

If it brings CCP cash I don’t think they care. Why do you think they allow fleets of mining bots to mine every single day for years on end? Because it’s countless omega subs and pumps the activity numbers.

Exactly. And that isn’t good for the health of the game So you agree ganking is good

@Lucas_Kell

It means the EULA is no longer doing what it’s supposed to be doing.

So people obeying the EULA means it isn’t working? Wild

@Lucas_Kell

Sure, because it’s inevitable. You can’t have a game where griefing is allowed and then expect that to never result in a tragedy. Honestly I’d be surprised if it hasn’t already happened but not been picked up by the media. CCP knows it too, which is why Broadcast 4 Reps exists.

Wow. This is def a wild conjecture LOL. Its inevitable but hasn’t happened in almost 20 years? Huh.

@Aiko_Danuja

I think it’s disgusting that you are trying to use suicide, and threats of suicide, as a ‘tactic’ for ingame advantage.

Well it does lend credence to my theory as to who his alt is

[Uriel_the_Flame]

@Gix_Firebrand

Well it does lend credence to my theory as to who his alt is

You refer to that guy who was in goons (I think) and whose supposed brother was claimed to suicide as a result of someone harassing him but if I recall correctly turned out to be not true or not proven and who not long ago quit the forum to go play Elite along with one or few others who might also be just alts?

[Gix_Firebrand]

@Uriel_the_Flame

You refer to that guy who was in goons (I think) and whose supposed brother was claimed to suicide as a result of someone harassing him but if I recall correctly turned out to be not true or not proven and who not long ago quit the forum to go play Elite along with one or few others who might also be just alts?

Sounds familiar but no haha.

More like the guy who threw a tantrum on the forums and said to be quitting it, only to come back sporadically but then now has disappeared again LOL.

[Lucas_Kell]

@MB_ThePhotographer

Today’s media would have a field day with something like that. Please try again.

Sometimes for sure, but that’s really going to depend on a multitude of factors.

@Uriel_the_Flame

As I wrote actual harassment and trying to deliberately harm someone is already covered by the EULA so clearly that part was about not such cases.

And I’m saying that gankers doing their “salt mining”, sending mails and dragging people into channels is a deliberate attempt to create these reactions so they can populate their blogs and laugh about it. They’re just careful not to say anything that directly crosses the line so they usually stay within the EULA. But the intent is there and it clearly works some of the time.

@Uriel_the_Flame

A simple lol you died can trigger a kid which might be silly but somewhat understandable

It can and I’m not suggesting CCP start banning people that say “lol you died”, but that’s not what these organised groups are doing.

@Aiko_Danuja

I think it’s disgusting that you are trying to use suicide, and threats of suicide, as a ‘tactic’ for ingame advantage.

I’m not, I’m saying that you and your mates are abusing and griefing people in a deliberate attempt to have the player - not the character - get upset. But I’m not surprised you’re yet again lying to trying to deflect away and play the victim.

@Gix_Firebrand

This quote alone reveals how much you know about ganking and why it takes more than one account.

It can do, but mate, you were the one saying “look at me I’m a ganker” then later explaining that ganking is about “the loot” which you were failing to get.

@Gix_Firebrand

If so, why is that bad?

It’s not bad, it just means CCP doesn’t really need to concern themselves with threat that gankers will ragequit if their gameplay is made challenging.

@Gix_Firebrand

Evasion is counterplay my guy,

Nope.

[Aiko_Danuja]

@Lucas_Kell

you and your mates are abusing and griefing people

I disagree.

[MB_ThePhotographer]

@Lucas_Kell

but that’s really going to depend on a multitude of factors.

Had to look up this creepy subject. Not 1 death from being greifed/ganked. Lots of other reasons in other games. Thats sad.

[Uriel_the_Flame]

@Lucas_Kell

Sure, but CCP can look at outcomes and adjust their rules. If people are deliberately winding up other players into extreme reactions for blog content they absolutely should look to limit that behaviour.

Just a thought that passed my mind, not sure how accurate but hey maybe you find it useful… or not, whatever: Maybe someone like you or even a group of like minded individuals could do some research into this, drumming up and seeking out affected people and whatnot to see how many are affected and maybe compile a list or something and present it to CCP to encourage them and kickstart such an insight and investigation.

It would also aid that cause if such people would be encouraged to post on the forums to empower this cause to show their numbers. Although they should be able to handle the forums for that which not everyone is capable of.

Either way probably would aid your cause if you and others provided evidence for the claims to make it more valid and show its prevalence which might have more impact on CCP changing policy and sooner than just constant back and forth between the same people on the forums.

Just a random idea.

[Gix_Firebrand]

@Lucas_Kell

they usually stay within the EULA. But the intent is there and it clearly works some of the time.

So they are following the EULA, thus breaking it.

Wow. Wild

@Lucas_Kell

It can do, but mate, you were the one saying “look at me I’m a ganker” then later explaining that ganking is about “the loot” which you were failing to get.

Ganking is about the loot and the lulz? I am ganking for lulz. However, lulz does not sustain your bank account.

As a single account user, I cannot gank for the loot. The fact that you can’t figure out as to why, tells me you’ve never ganked before LOL.

@Lucas_Kell

It’s not bad, it just means CCP doesn’t really need to concern themselves with threat that gankers will ragequit if their gameplay is made challenging.

Again if its so easy, why doesn’t everyone do it?

@Lucas_Kell

Nope.

Yennoe, you say this but saying nope doesn’t make it not true ROFL.

Its ok bro. You just admitted that there is counterplay to ganking Sorry bruv, you roflcoptered yourself there