Yeah, I think I’m gonna say that’s a bit of a stretch too…
No.
I highly doubt that.
You’re really trying too hard with the edgelord material.
You are absolute ■■■■■■■ scum.
Also, you disgusting freak, not to even entertain this bizarre conspiracy of yours, but if what you are saying is true then it sure is nice of the Federation Navy to guard these facilities, using standard FedNav FOF identifiers.
Forces that when engaged and destroyed, get registered as an offensive action against the Federation, which causes them to notify you of their disapproval.
If what you are saying is true then one has to believe that somehow not just the FIO but the Federation Navy can penetrate the borders of the Caldari State, construct prisons without notice, clandestinely torture people, and yet for all such apparent covert ability be conveniently discovered by any passer by with a probe scanner.
As I have said, that just seems too far-fetched to me. While gross incompetence on the part of the State is not wholly impossible for such is the Caldari way, for the above to be true it would require negligence of policing their own borders that is almost incredulous. In addition, I find it hard to believe that the State Armed Forces do not have access to a single Heron with a probe scanner to find these alleged “secret” facilities and destroy them.
To me the whole issue is so conveniently discovered and so blatant in its incompetence that its only source could be a Caldari State misinformation campaign mounted to the detriment of its own citizens. While I find it abhorrent the State would abuse its own people in order to implicate the Federation in malfeasance, the only source of complicity with the horrors of torture are to be found enacted by State corporate regimes.
As opposed to what? The State having infiltrated the Federation government and having done so for all this time, acknowledging these forces as legitimate and enforcing the appropriate sanctions for their destruction? Isolated subcap fleets penetrating borders and operating beyond the warzones isn’t anything new, and in space under Gallente control, there wouldn’t be a need for deadspace facilities, would there? They have stations and planetary infrastructure available there.
Oh, and of course, the Federation itself hasn’t made even the slightest of statements regarding all this. No disavowment, no investigations, nothing.
I suppose I should congratulate you for so majestically showing everyone your true colors though, denying these atrocities and trying to somehow blame them on the victims, all to further your own nonsense. No accusation I throw against you could hope to match the damage you do to your cause yourself.
What is there to deny for the CEP itself has not acknowledged the existence of such facilities within their own borders. One would expect outrage at the very least, perhaps an investigation by CONCORD but so far there has been only silence.
There is nothing to investigate when Caldari corporations build prison facilities within their own borders and seek to deflect blame for mistreatment therein elsewhere.
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You know, the quote function’s use doesn’t mean you can just pick one tiny part of someone’s post that you choose to reply to, removing all context and additional arguments. You seem to be using it like that a lot and frankly it makes you look like even bigger a cretin than typical.
I had already outlined my opinion and position. In the interests of not re-iterating, the quote function served the purpose of a segue to an ancillary point not having been already said.
If there is any truth to these allegations I would wish to know.
Present your arguments and make your case, because I assure you that the majority of the Federation is unaware of any such misdeeds.
Bringinging incontrvertable proof would be more destructive to your enemies than you could imagine. I assume you have a very vivid imagination judging from these claims.
Well, fortunately for the sake of this discussion, Commander Kim has actually posted about this before, years ago. It is truly depressing how even after so long, the information she provides remains valid and her segment on locating these facilities can still be easily followed. I’d personally escort you to see this for yourself were I not preoccupied with another conflict right now.
You may read her old post here.
All information present is verifiable up to the 26th of last month, when I last rescued a number of these POWs.
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Is this evidence, or simply a long-standing claim to excuse an individual’s destructive nature?
I can state with certainty that no members of my Order have received requests to attend complexes that match such a description.
What the hell are you talking about?
Anger issues, misinformation and duplicity.
Given how long these facilities have been public knowledge; I’m relatively sure that’s a pertinent if misdirected assessment.
I think at this point we could say that it’s rather fat trolling thread, because really for human being nobody could be THAT dense.
So I could just quote one more thing about the topic “starter”
Because, really, is there any other word to describe a person who blames us in crap they do, which is easily verifiable by anyone who can use capsule interface and have at least a milligram of gray matter?
Is an ad hominem the best you can do? Really?
I am testifying the validity of this information myself, will you do me next alongside everyone else that has seen these facilities?
You can spin conspiracies and attempt to misdirect all you want, but the facts are very, very simple and readily visible to all.
These are federal facilities, branded as federal facilities, guarded by federal forces recognized by the federation as their own, using up-to-date federal equipment. These facilities hold those the federation regards as its enemies, all of who testify that their captors were federal Gallente.
And you deny that this happens, that this is the doing of the Gallente Federation.
No attack on your character was intended, apologies.
I’m afraid it is inadvisable for me to take you up on your offer to see for myself because; as has been previously noted, State borders are well patrolled - albeit ineffective against technology in your possession.
I do not doubt your sincerity. I’m simply querying interpretation.
Until a neutral party conducts an independent investigation into alleged malfeasance by the FIO I remain dubious of information presented by State partisans.
If both the Federation and the CEP cannot acknowledge the existence of such sites as worthy of investigation then I cannot take them at face value.
They exist, I can attest to that. Not that you’d care of course, propagandists tend not to like the truth if it’s inconvenient, so you’ll likely dismiss it out of hand again.
I’m going to be as clear and direct here as possible: No.
Despite having disagreements with my fellow statesmen over progressive changes that the state must adopt if it hopes to survive any system of governance in which the Caldari are the primary masters of their own fate and self determination is preferable to suffering under imperialism. I will, full stop, continue to stand with any and all factions within state society in one unified voice against imperialism and exploitation of the workers of the state, no matter what “progressive” grift the Black Eagles or other Federation kakku ghouls try to frame this blatant attempt at encroachment as.
I have no qualms with the people of the Federation and unlike previous populist regimes in the State I have no interest in bogging down our resources in pointless jingoistic conquests that make us just as bad as our enemy to justify ‘defense’ spending and production quotas that just harm union rights. But the worst hells are reserved for intelligence spooks and petty bourgeois lobbyists willing who relish the idea of shackling the Caldari people to an exploitive neoliberal empire and anyone dumb enough to believe their hollow promises need serious reeducation if they think they could ever offer anything in their best interests or in good faith.