Why does every ship in eve have to have bigs, or shields? why cant we have more “freighters” in eve with less module slots.
Introducing some new ship idea’s!
Casino ship. Gives access to slot machine and black jack minigames. The fact that honey badger had so much attention is a great example of how popular this could be. You can even add isk bets and in-minigame taxes to the ship!
more to come
Look at gambling laws and their connection to online stuff. Aka online gambling in games comes under them too in some places. So any online game with gambling would have to not trade there or comply with the laws there.
So… not going to happen.
Again talking about what you dont know.
Gambling laws apply to real money transactions. Not to isk to isk gambling. Stop following me around to prove how stupid you are.
CCP removed in-game casinos because there have been cases around the world where in-game gambling has been tied to actual gambling. Don’t forget that Eve is a world-wide game and has to comply with local laws. Not just the ones in your country.
CCP removed in-game casinos because there have been cases around the world where in-game gambling has been tied to actual gambling. Don’t forget that Eve is a world-wide game and has to comply with local laws. Not just the ones in your country.
I have worked in the industry almost 20 years and i know of no laws that say you cant gamble with your own in game currency. many games use this.
The truth is in most cases the real money current gambling while complex is not illegal as much as its a hassle with lots of red tape and gray area.
Look a couple of years ago at the Alliance tournament thread. It all got covered there as to the cases which made it murky if mmo currency was covered or not.
Eve gets especially murky due to plex, and how so many news articles talk about real cash values of ships destroyed in a big battle.
Gambling isn’t illegal, but it is often limited by age. Eve is rated for teens, thus under-age players, thus gambling becomes illegal in most places.
I’m seriosly starting to doubt your competence here. This isn’t rocket science.
Incorrect, because gambling for virtual property when no real money is involve is not gambling.
Except when you add the ability to purchase said virtual property with real money, in this case PLEX, we get into the gray area, that no gaming company wants to test.
Read up: https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2016/10/12/gambling-banned-in-eve-online/
They are not linked.
For example you go to a casino and turn money into chips at the counter. In this case there is a mandated link between the two. Plex are not required to play the casino, nor are they the means in which you start the casino aspect, so they are not part of online gambling.
I have looked into this topic fairly deeply. In fact you will be surprised to learn that (as far as i know) most countries do not consider “in game slot machines” to be a “slot machine” under law, because in truth, they are actually software. Thus under most laws they do not fit the definition of “slot machine or device, used with risk to acquire a benefit”.
So when you say its illegal, you are saying
“isk casino in eve is illegal because its part of the games software”
And when you say “because of plex” you are saying
“the sky is the reason the earth is here, so we cant have the sky”
which makes no sense at all.
On another note most developers choose to ignore “real money” auction houses and gambling because of the potential law suits that come with it, not because they break laws, but because they can easily be attacked for the weak wording in the laws prescribed to the exchange of virtual property and real money as well as with gambling, specially when it comes to online gambling or auction houses".
Good to know that you’ve been living under a rock the last 2 years when it comes to games and real-money DLC/gambling/lootboxes.
In all cases of “Gambling” in game currency is consider to “not be a thing of value” as a result it does not meet the conditions of “risk” stated by most laws.
If you do not know, do not speak.
Good to know that you’ve been living under a rock the last 2 years when it comes to games and real-money DLC/gambling/lootboxes.
No one is living under a rock, and we are not talking about Loot Boxes. This is another topic. Also, the legal battles around this is to limit minor access from it, not to consider it “gambling” by legal definition.
And as Eve is rated for under-aged players, CCP decided to ban gambling alltogether rather than do some convoluted way to allow it and make sure it is only doable by people over the legal age (which differs around the world).
For CCP to add this idea of yours , they would have to change the EULA, which I don’t think they will do.
One last important note on this.
Companies only need to give something in the game of a specific minimal value. For example if ccp added 5 plex to the loot box, they can directly assign a value to the loot box, and then make the rest “a bonus” which will invalidate the conditions of gambling and change this to a “purchase”.
This is a well known work around
For this reason blizzard and others are not at all worried about these lawsuits (but maybe are watching it out of interest).
EULA changes are common place, or do you not play games and see the agreement pop up all the time? that is because part of it was changed and if you just read the top line “agreement has changed please read the following” you’d probably know that.
Some companies like CCP has chosen to avoid these practices, which is their right. IT does save a lot of headache, and i personally as a CEO and Designer find them tacky.
Quote from EULA, section 6.B:
You may not use, transfer or assign any in game assets for games of chance operated by third parties.
by “3rd parties” they mean anyone other than CCP themselves. “Game of Chance” does not only refer to gambling with real money but also include doing so with virtual currency and items.
There are a couple of reason that they, CCP, has chosen to ban gambling. The most obvious is EVE’s PEGI-12 Rating, the not so obvious reason is that many countries has included “loot-boxes” and similar “Games of Chance” in their laws. As mentioned in this devblog gambling websites have been connected to RMT. Furthermore, gambling is highly addictive.
I was not suggesting any RMT or Loot Boot related options. I was suggesting a casino that is isk only based, in game and has no connection to plexing.
This would be between the player and the random change (back end) of a slot machines code, bu could be expanded to player to player black jack done mechanically (by code) at either a station or ship casino.
because there is no real money involved in this, there is no fear of any issue with countries.
ISK or real money, it’s still a “Game of Chance”