Off-Topic Thread vol. 2

I just like how they insist on doing it publicly. Normally, I wouldn’t dream of pointing out how they’re broadcasting this public squabble, over and over again, across the entire GalNet, including to Amarr baseliners… but I have to admit, I’m pretty sure no matter how much I smug, Mikal’s gonna continue to insist that running fleets in the warzone gives a commoner—and a foreigner—the standing to go publicly insulting a member of the nobility where a whole bunch of other commoners can see him defying the ‘proper’ order of Amarr society.

Every time he opens his mouth, he undermines the Empire, and he’s just the kinda guy who’ll do it even knowing it makes people he hates happy, because he can’t overcome his need to be right. It’s awesome.

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Why not both? What I do is profitable and doubles as a means to flip off the Empires. Win-win in my book. Does it trouble your sensibility that a simple pirate has an opinion on your life choices?

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The main question of import that should be asked is where each individual person’s duty lies.

If we all keep to that and do not attack the structures that hold Amarr together, Amarr will prevail.

When we surround ourselves with the faithful and stand together there is no strength like it. When we act as vigilanties outside of proper channels and proceedures, we open Molok’s door and beget disorder.

Even if the likes of Saronu and Mikal were correct in their hostility to Lux Invicta’s–a coalition whose action of coming together across hard ideological lines at the battle of Arshat last year was praised by Lord Ardishapur himself–contiued activities, they would still be acting in a manner that breaks down proper jurisdiction.

I can and should ask my superiors whether my action is correct and they can and should tell me. Anyone outside of my chain of command does not have the right to ask on my behalf.

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Jurisdiction is indeed important.

If the Empire just realized that in relation to outsiders, too.

Certainly we have many jurisdictions in relation to outsiders.

True outsiders that we haven’t met yet fall under the jurisdiction of the Exploration Corps, the outsiders that we are at war with fall under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of War, heretical seccessionists fall under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Internal Order or the Tetrimon, and the outsiders we are at peace with fall under the jurisdiction of the various diplomatic corps in the Empire.

An interesting question is what happens when an outsider group has shown a propensity for hidden elements we haven’t met yet, is officially in a state of limited war with us, is a heretical successionist state, and also has peaceful diplomatic relations with us at the same time. That one really is quite the confounding scenario to unravel.

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Isn’t that technically ‘all of humanity that isn’t Amarr’, though?

Largely heathens

No, you are a heathen if you never really were part of Amarr, and heretic and/or secessionist, if you were but decided to leave.

It’s not really such a hard distinction. Seriously.

Right, I get that, and all, but doesn’t the Amarr Scripture say something about how everyone who isn’t Amarr turned away from God? That’d mean that prior to doing so, they were all part of the faith that the Amarr are the heirs of, so… everyone’d be heretical, not heathens.

EDIT: I mean, unless you live in MH. Then you’d be Heathen, too.

The definition comes from the mindset of the individual, not the line. You can be heathen even if your ancestors were heretics, if it was long enough a time ago and you have allowed yourselves to forget.

Wouldn’t that be nullified by the whole Amarr ‘generational sin’ thing, where descendants are equally responsible for the original sin?

Fringe and frankly bad doctrine.

What, like Blarpies?

ETA: I am drunk. And I am being told I should go to bed before someone gets home and figures out I’m drunk. So I am going to bed, so nobody can find out I’m drunk.

What?

I’m telling no tales. You’re on IGS tho.

What what? Like, whatever the original offense for that chain of generational sin was. Ancestor steals something, it’s theft. Your great-great-granddad denied god, the original sin that got your family screwed was heresy, etc etc.

SHHHHH. I won’t notice if you don’t tell them.

Put simply, were sin heritable in the way you speculate, a certain Khanid fool would be correct.

Your family is screwed because you’re no longer part of the Faith hierarchy. That you got into that state because some ancestor was an heretic has no further bearing that I know of, only the situation they got you into. (Thank you Aunts and Uncles, I appreciate it.)

No, Loai’d still be wrong. Slaver hounds aren’t cuddly.

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I wrote a whole essay on this. [Excubitoris Chapter] God Does Not Forgive: A Rejection of the Recent Concept of Forgivable Generational Inherited Sin

Short answer is “no.”

That is definitely short. But that’s ok! I’ll just find some random handful of FW people to overrule you!