I have never disputed your basic premise, the sad truth is your impatience positions you such that the only way you can change the Empire is if it is brought to its knees.
Absent new players on the board that will be by the Federation, and they will step into the vacuum created.
Whatever your perception. You are an enemy making war upon us, and I don’t believe you will ever stop.
Yes. Just as slaves are.
Only through many hardships
Is a man stripped to his very foundations
And in such a state
Devoid of distractions
Is his soul free to soar
And in this
He is closest to God
-Missions 42:5
That’s not quite what you advocate though is it Kernher? Among your problems with reclamation is how long before they are allowed to get up from their knees. Believe the other nations would allow it? That the Republic wouldn’t take the opportunity for vengeance on a hated foe? That the Federation would allow the resurgence of their only true competitor? That the State outnumbered as they would be could shield us?
No. You talk about an end, not a beginning.
Speaking as someone who does not exactly support those raids, you seem to be either unaware or ignoring the fact that they recently made taking noncombatants as slaves legal. That is what we oppose. That is the specter of reclaiming by the sword reemerging from its obscurity from within their light. If one thing would set the cluster ablaze it would be this, arguably more so than anything the Federation would do. I don’t say that lightly, since this borders into a threat upon all of the other empires of the cluster. If they do it to us by justifying it this way, it’ll be the Federation and the State next (The state won’t be useful to the empire forever and you know it. Companies end contracts due to lack of necessity frequently, that’s just business.). This is how they justified their warmongering in the past, its how they’ll do it again.
I would hope that Amarr actually changes before all of that.
The idea isn’t to destroy it. It’s about applying enough pressure that change is preferable to continued turmoil.
You are what we made you Kernher, is it in you to yeild? I think not
You know, it’s conversations like this that make me and my employers convinced that all you Empire lot really should get burnt to the ground by the Triglavians.
Why is it that every conversation regarding any of the old Empire just boils down to “You’re worse than we are!” You could use that energy instead to, I don’t know, make your own home better instead of throwing the Slaver Hound dirt over the fence at each other day and night.
There is an ancient saying that therebis honour amongst thieves and I agree. At least every ‘pirate’ faction is honest about who they are and what and why they are doing it. You lot all yammer on with nothing but nonsense justifications.
Trying to.
Then die in ignomy.
If the Amarr Empire will not yield or change, and it cannot exist without ruining the lives of trillions, I feel it is quite justified to strike it down.
I just hope those who stubbornly clung to their ways will shed a tear for the innocent Amarr who will suffer should it ever come to pass.
That’s some first rate pontificating for someone who disapproves of nonsense justifications.
You can’t even yeild to your own traditions attending a moot, don’t condescend to me.
Your personal opinion is noted, forty-two trillion people will doubtless be concerned to hear that the just option is to strike down their nation.
Arrogant brainwashed fools like Yassavi can’t be reasoned with therefore, why even try? It’s a lot like trying to teach quantum mechanics to a pig; it’s frustrating for you and annoying to the pig.
Refuting the arguements of the most hardline capsuleers may not affect them but it certainly has an effect on the baseline viewership of the IGS and potentially more moderate capsuleers as well.
That doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s wrong to block people, as tolerating certain people is definitely a chore, but it’s a balancing act. I like saving blocks for the most long-term extreme edge cases.
As discussed in your own thread, Commander, that is no longer the case. Now, the official Imperial position is ‘we can and will attack and enslave law-abiding civilian populations of other nations, in systems we control’.
You know what? I believe you.
I wouldn’t believe many others if they said that, but I believe you.
And really, Rella is a perfect example of people who can’t be reasoned with. What would be a reason of talking with someone who doesn’t bring counterarguments, but just jumps on you with a reactive jet of insults like from a broken sewage pipe under pressure?
I guess you’re right that baseline viewership of the IGS can get quite a lot of ideas about Rella themselves, and it can go down to “your argument is quite solid that your enemy can’t bring anything against you instead pathetic personal attacks”. But, honestly, I have a preference of “winning” people hearts by logic rather than… well, trying to argue with Rella-likes.
And, speaking about actual long-term extreme edge cases, I have trouble finding someone who would be full of irrational hatred to degree of Annabella Rella. I mean, other than her if I think about hateful person, I probably could bring only Mr. Nauplius, but he actually can be talked and argued with! Unlike him, Rella is a just a fountain of hatred! It goes like… hatred-insult-hatred-insult, and repeat ad nauseam.
At the university today, all my students handed their assignments in well ahead of the deadline. All of them. Without complaint.
I feel… uneasy…
I haven’t really heard the words of “attack and enslave law-abiding civilian population” part myself!
Maybe not of them are so law-abiding as it was made to believe? We know that Empire lately was shaken by a serie of revolts, ignited by Blood Raiders and other activists. I cannot say anything about the population of the planet and percentage of criminals down there, but I do have Faith in Imperial command to separate the wheat from the chaff. After all, they aren’t planning to go full gallente on the population and just genocide them. They’re going to capture them, and if they capture them they can process them by legal procedures. After all, what I got from Imperial practises, slavery is a form of legal punishment for something, and that means they should prove each of citizens have committed that something in order to be sentenced to slavery, IMHO.
The fact of capturing someone does not constitute a war crime by itself, because if you capture them - you can release them. Crime would be holding them as hostages or killing them. I am pretty sure if nobody will resist the authority - nobody will get hurt.
That, Commander, is because you do not understand what Lord Sarum means when he says:
‘Labour acquisition expeditions’ is a euphemism for ‘slaver attacks’. That’s why they need ground troops. The ‘full reclaiming’ indicates that Floseswin IV will see the entire population subjected to this.
You should not have that faith in them, Commander. They have no interest in separating wheat from chaff. Their criteria is ‘Are they Amarr? If not, they’re chaff’. ‘Not being Amarr’ is the ‘crime’ for which they—and their children, and their grandchildren, and so on—are going to be punished. They have no need to ‘prove’ anything. They need only prove that they have enough weapons to force those people to obey, or die. That is all they ever prove when reclaiming entire planets.
There are uncountable masses of Minmatar slaves who have offered no resistance, and been harmed because their ‘masters’ have simply had a bad day. Or employed overseers and foremen who are sadists. Or they were deemed ‘good genetic stock’ so they were sent to the breeding facilities to be raped for the production of slave children—and when the child is born, it is taken away, and the rapes resume.
Ask them. Ask the Amarr if I am lying about such facilities. Ask them if I am wrong about what it takes to get sent there. Ask them if anything I have said is incorrect. I’m sure if it were, they’d be howling in outrage.
Don’t bother with her. She is either willfully ignorant or dangerously lacking in comprehension skills.
Nothing you say can change her mind, and any facts you present will be ignored.