Except that Omega account is paying for the same skill points that Alpha accounts get for free.
Also the rate of skill training has nothing to do with this. I can easily bypass the skill training rate by using skill injectors.
I’m talking about how Alpha accounts get 5 mill SP’s for FREE whereas an Omega account has PAID money for that same base amount of skills.
I understand that.
Its not dissimilar to the previous 15 day trial and subbing with a Buddy Code (even now).
It does indeed favor a player first creating an Alpha, training it for free, and only engaging Omega afterwards.
I have no problem with Alpha accounts getting 5 mill skill points for free.
The problem is that Omega accounts have to pay for the same 5 mill skill points that Alpha accounts get for free.
Yes, its a bit irrational.
But nothing prevents a player from generating 5mil on Alpha first, before going Omega.
You are comparing account and character. Why you think they can be compared this way?
Just wanted to get this thread on the track of my original argument or suggestion.
The bases of this discussion is to allow the Omega Account to train ONE as Omega and simultaneously allow ONE Alpha level.
It’s a simple request not over powering just common sense. Why should I need a blank new account inorder to enjoy the benefits of Alpha.
I know OMEGA is for the ENTIRE account but just as this has changed over the years we should be able to do the above.
It won’t break the game but its a nice way to get an alt for all accounts to use as an out of corp alt.
Such passion on what I thought was such a simple common sense request.
Because clone status realistically affects both levels. After all, you train skills on the character level after the character selection screen. You multibox on the account level before you even pick which character. Nobody’s asking for things that apply on the account level (i.e. nobody’s asking to multibox multiple characters from the same account.) edit: in fact, nobody’s even asking for anything where CCP hasn’t already established systems to prevent adverse effects on the game.
Everything involved with SP/$ is automatically controversial, whether it should be or not.
But you want programming resources wasted on something that can already be accomplished by simply creating a new alpha account. And the only justification is that it would be nice and a desire to have all characters on one account which is a personal preference not an actual need.
Why not just ask that all new characters be giving 5 mil SP at start to allocate as they wish? It would amount to the same thing as your request, just faster.
That said, I’m against the changes. You have always been only able to train one character pwe account without using an MTC. Heckb prior to 2 years ago or so, there was no MTC even and we all did quite well.
No I’m not. What I’m looking at is the fact that I’m paying money to get something that others are getting for free.
No you explained why you want it. You never gave a sound reasoning why CCP should do this. Nothing in your topics shows any valid business justification, only that you like the idea and anecdotal evidence that you think it may help revenue.
As for fan base, those are the core players that are heavily invested in the game and that have and will hopefully continue to play the game longer than say the passing crowd group that plays for a few months then moves on. The core players are the FCs, logistic gods, the corp managers and such that help provide the content that keeps this sandbox game having content. They are the one group that if alienated could cause problems for CCP by their mass exodus. Whether they pay by plex or actual money, the services they provide help keep the game interesting and engaging.
So make an Alpha account. Nothing at all is stopping you from doing this.
Another pro for CCP is using less resources and saving data storage for the millions of useless Alpha accounts that will NEVER go Omega. Probably negligible.
I am also just mildly curious of getting a true account count. How many of those accounts signed in of the 20-30k we see are a single player from one houeshold. Maybe using up resources out ways showing the fact that only 10k people worldwide if that, play and out of those 5k, play regularly or full time. No sure, I want the game to be here forever or I wouldn’t be wasting so much time skilling up. Again, just a side curiosity.
Yes I did but you still refuse to acknowledge it.
Right now I have 2 extra characters on my PAID Omega account that have less than 1 mill skill points. It costs money to get those characters up to 5 mill skill point limit that Alpha accounts get for FREE.
My main character is training Omega skills and will not stop that training. Switching my Omega training time to train up Alpha skills on my other extra 2 characters is a waste of money. The same goes for buying an MCT to train up the same skills on Omega character that an Alpha character gets for free.
Jeeze, get it through your head already.
That right there is a bunch of bullcrap and doesn’t even pertain to the topic.
By the way, I and others like me are the core players who have probably been in this game and paying a subscription far longer than you. We’re the ones who keep CCP’s books credited with money.
The real difference between the two is the speed in which the two acquire the 5m. Do you want to train 5m at a normal rate, or half the normal rate? That’s just ONE cost of the alpha, there’s also the mass restrictions on skills they’re able to choose and things they are just flat out not allowed to do.
So, no, it’s not “the same”.
Omega’s being allowed to train alpha on their account would severely damage the current SP market, which I currently have no vested interest in, but others have moved into that niche.
No true. You want different thing than “others are getting for free”.
Others get number of Alpha accounts with one character able to train.
You want to have one Omega account with one character training in Omega mode and two characters training in Alpha mode (or it was one Alpha character? Not sure it matters).
For me these things are pretty different in many aspects. That’s why i’m asking You for your reasons.
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CCP won’t let Omega train an alpha (or two) on their account anyways because it will almost destroy any use for the MCT. So you can keep at it if you wish, plenty of people besides me see why it’s a bad idea, but you’re also not going to convince CCP to stop making money with something you want for free.
If you want it, pay for it. It’s a luxury, not a right.
How? You can already do an infinite number of alpha accounts, having one of those characters on the same account as an Omega doesn’t affect anything. The Alpha skills restrictions are specially designed to protect against this.
My argument in this thread has been the opposite. It would promote use of MCT, though it might reduce use of character transfers. As it is, there’s no reason to use MCT for alpha skills. Better to train them all the way up on a second account then transfer them over. MCT is only economical for short-term alts (up to 3 months I believe with 4 months being the break even point.) This would make that even more enticing, trading a higher price paid (maybe) for a higher qty paid.
If the extra characters on my PAID Omega account had the base Alpha skill point limits, I would be more inclined to spend money on MCT to continue their skill training.
Also the rate that the skill points train is not applicable to the topic since that rate can be bypassed or changed in a variety of ways from skill injectors to attribute implants.
The point is Alpha characters get 5 mill skill points for free whereas Omega characters have to pay money for those same skills.
You are not paying for something alphas get for free. You are paying for the stuff alphas do not get.
Don’t care how you or others twist it around, the bottom line is that the unskilled characters on an Omega account are paying for skill points that Alpha accounts get for free.