Mm a couple of times. Beets n Gravy attempted to live out in npc null back in the day so we did that for a bit.
Also Iâm still a ganker? Again, unsure why you push this false narrative that you must lock yourself into a single playstyle. No wonder youâre bored with EVE
Yep Because a boring supply run means you made it safe and sound, cargo delivered, money all around. Like I said, if you want exciting, leak the route
You realize youâre taking the appropriate measures to ensure it is boring, so that your stuff gets there safely right?
ROFL. Just cause you donât know how to PvP doesnât mean there isnât counters ROFL.
Its ok Rroff. I know youâre familiar with being rroffed
Mmm. Its ok bruv. Yennoe, when you try this tack it really does display your ignorance. It isnât a good look
My guy, you do everything you can to make it âboringâ because that means it went well and safe
We were never bored during escort runs. Shooting the crap as you warp until you hit the gate and send the scout thru and wait for the word. If not clear, safe up and wait bit while the scouts lure the peeps away, then jump and continue on, leaving one guy behind a bit to see if they gonna pursue or not.
Bro. I get it. You donât got friends. You just multi-box all by your lonesome.
And that sucks for you
If you donât want boredom, just leak the time and route youâre taking bruv Youâll be plenty not bored
Also HS fleet escorts for freighters are even easier because HS gank defense allows you to fly glass cannon fits for the escorts, which make it even easier to prevent the gank.
The freighter run needs to be made (unless you are also suggesting that goods should just magically appear where it needs to go). You can either be alone, and bored, OR you can invite some friends to make the run safer, less boring, and faster.
As a new player, I have to ask⌠âfasterâ because you can take routes youâd avoiid if you were soloing the delivery? Or is there something else that makes this go faster?
The reason escorting haulers is boring is because it doesnât pay anything. And the reason why it doesnât pay anything is because weâre all immortal.
Because weâre immortal, we have collectively decided that the only viable way to optimize making money in the game is by doing everything alone, so that we have 100% of the income/profits. In real life, we donât have the benefit of immortality. If we get attacked and shot, we die. So thatâs why haulers have historically been escorted by armed guards and compensated well for it (this is true for areas where piracy still exists, such as off the Somali coast).
The two choices are to either protect your hauling with armed escorts, or to try to maximize profit by skipping protection but shutting up when things go wrong because it was a conscious choice to do it this way. But since humans (and especially carebears) are stupid and greedy, the whole concept of sleeping in the bed they made flies out the window, so when they choose to skip protection in order to maximize profit, and things inevitably do go wrong, they start whining about it like someoneâs splitting open their sides with a kitchen knife.
And here we are, facing the reality of players trying to do everything themselves, and throwing tantrums and begging for the game to be changed when they canât.
Thank MFing quafe someone finally got the reference.
Iâve been dropping chip truth omae all over these forums
Yennoe, if they made a Shadowrun MMO I would def have to quit EVE LOL. Its too bad they are still kinda mixed up with the whole FASA fall out thing and all of that.
I also kinda donât like the newish rules and settings and that they separated it from Earthdawn.
The newer novels are also kinda meh too. But the classics are awesome
Only when you got no friends
Hm. Its almost like weâre in a sand box game
See DCâs post. You donât gotta do anything Its all choice bruv. And choices got consequences
Dunno bruv, worked pretty well for us I get it tho. Its hard when you donât got friends right?
Also you realize there is no set way to do an escort run right? Like there ainât no set in stone, written down rules. In reality, players have agency and choice.
Oh Iâm fine broheim Youâve been rroffed after all
I mean you canât even figure out how to keep a freighter alive in HS with an escort fleet
So youâre saying hisec miners shouldnât ask for hisec to be made more safe than it already is? Sounds fair to me. Iâll try to avoid that better than I have done so far.
Thanks, I made it with a lot of help from a man with a suspiciously similar name to your own! (sorry, but you set that one up too well for me not to say it)
I donât know if thatâs the reason itâs boring, but itâs one of the reasons that I donât ask other players to help keep my freighters and jump freighters safe; and instead do it myself.
Actually, thereâs a few reasons I donât turn the safety of hauling contracts into a group activity and instead make it an alt activity:
There is little reward for other players, and upping the price to haul to provide them with reward cuts out a lot of contracts (I tried it in the past)
95% of the prep to get from A to B safely is done even before undocking. That doesnât need anyone elseâs assistance
My assets and collateral on the line = my responsibility and my accountability if I screw up. It wouldnât be fair of me to put my safety in the hands of someone else and if they screw up, then what?
Hauling is already inherently safe in highsec and the risk of an issue is low to begin with. Everything else to manage the risk is only about reducing the small risk to almost non-existent
In low, null and wormhole space, unless I had the same person/people assisting all the time, they wouldnât have the same level of experience, so itâs safer to do it myself with alts
Gameplay sessions donât perfectly line up. If Iâm logged in, then Iâm not held to waiting for someone else and/or they arenât held to wait for me to login. Alts can be logged in at exactly the right times
At the end of the day, itâs no problem for me that gankers need to work together, or in large fleets of multi-boxed characters.
Ganking shouldnât necessarily be a solo activity. There is no inherent right to be able to do everything in the game solo.
That same view holds for hauling also. Thereâs no inherent right to be able to do that solo. Itâs already extremely safe and if I start from a position of high HP so that gankers need group/multiple alt play to gank me, then itâs perfectly fine that it takes group/multiple alt play to manage the risk.
As you are a nub, unlike Grampy Kells Rroff, I shall giveth you some counters to le gank and other stuff
Learn how to use local to your advantage. It tells you whose in system. Learn who the ganker corps are, set them to bad standing so youâll know immediately if they come in system
Learn how to make safe spots in space, even in HS. If you have to go AFK, for full safety you should dock but maybe sometimes canât. Get to a safe before AFKing
Anyone who is flashy yellow in HS, is most likely flashy for a reason. If you attack them, be prepared for combat. If they are hovering near the station, itâs cause they gonna switch ships and try to wtfpwn you, they most likely got a counter to any ship youâre flying in that station
When mining, always keep aligned to a safe or station. Do not mine right at the drop in point. Keep a weather eye on local and on d-scan. If you see combat probes on d-scan, bug out immediately. If gankers jump in system, bug out immediately. Also finding a quiet mining system isnât hard
Learn how to use F10. If you see that 76 ships died in the past hour in a 0.6 system, you can be darn sure thar be gankers. If you gonna go thru a low pipe and you see like 7 ships blapped in the past hour, might just be FW or might be a gate camp.
Learn how to manually fly your ship. It takes time and youâre never gonna be perfect, but it is a skill worth practicing. You can reduce DPS by learning how to angle your ship vs the other, which if caught out may give you enough time for CONCORD to come save you.
Learn how to fit your ship and do it. HS is a diff ball game vs the others. Once the gankers let the antimatter fly, they are on a fixed clock. Any reduction in DPS gives you an immense advantage in terms of beating that clock.
Learn time zones and such and why it is important. Weekends tend to be more active when it comes to ganking. Move your stuff in silence like lasagna on off times.
The most concentration of gankers is in Cal space. If you move to Amarr/Min not as much. Gal has a bit more depending.
Never stop learning. Learn all the mechanics and game play you can. All knowledge is worth having. You never know when it might save you.
Look at you, griefing the nubs
Well according to our friend Grampy Kells Rroff, no fleet can ever protect a freighter cause ganking is so OP that heâs easily able to avoid it.
Thanks for all the tips here! A lot of this is advice Iâve managed to pick up from rookie help chat, my NPC corp chat, and the occasional (very rare) face talking in local chat. Thereâs a few details I wasnât expecting here too.
My current fit for expeditions outside of the starter systems is literally âfree Ibisâ because that way, if I get lucky, I live (which has been the case so far), and if I donât, I lose nothing and respawn where I was heading anywayâŚ
Iâm still learning about how to do fitting properly, but that feels like a skill Iâll need hands-on experience at dying from failures with before itâs really settled in. Looking forward to it.
And this bit was new to me, but doesnât seem surprising. Very much appreciate the advice all-round!
Thatâs what hauling is. Itâs the exchange of time to move an object from one place to another. Thereâs absolutely no value added to the product itself during this process, with the rare exception of transporting something like wine or rare antiques, which will appreciate in value ever so slightly during the time it takes for them to be transported. This is normal. Itâs also hardly different from sitting in a high-sec belt and mining Veldspar all day, which is an activity youâve defended on numerous occasions.
The simple fix (or rather how the game shouldâve functioned from the beginning) would be to have NPCs that constantly seek out player haulers to attack. Had that been the norm, then armed escorts would also be the norm. Instead, we only have the sporadic danger from player ganking, which happens so rarely that players feel entitled to not escort their haulers because the minimum premium theyâd have to pay for risk mitigation doesnât line up with the level of risk itself.
Download pyfa and give it your char. It mimics your skills so you can see what you can fit with your current skills. A lot of fittings out there are meant for when you got most of the fitting skills to 4 or 5, so as a nub it can be hard.
EVEfit also helps with ideas. Eventually youâll get the hang of it and understand how the theory works. In reality, you can always experiment.
For example in the beginning, Iâd go for cap stable fits for missions till you get more experience and feel more comfortable.
Most times you get stuff from Amarr, Diodixie and Hek too. Just sometimes the harder stuff to find is at Jita.
Iâll add you in game, if you need help just give me a shout if you see me on.
What ships are you trying to skill into? Its best to form a coherent skill plan to save time. but you also donât need to jump straight into BSes right away either. Make sure you got the proper support skills.
Diamond rats too
DC often has good stuff. although Iâm sure Grampy Kells Rroff thinks Iâm her alt but to be frank, we have very different styles LOL.
Choice of system to mine in can make that so much easier.
It doesnât take much effort to find systems that provide opportunities to have intel on gankers moving towards you well before they ever arrive in local, so you can move, dock, change fitting, etc. well in advance of guns ever being fired.
Dotlan is a good tool for that. A couple of examples:
Mine in Quier an put eyes in Gicodel on the Frarolle gate. Youâll see gankers well before they hit the Quier gate in Frarolle and can respond accordingly.
Protected pipes (in this case highsec only on one side):
Put eyes in Scolluzer on the Sortet gate and you can mine pretty much anywhere up the pipe from there with almost 0 risk of being ganked.
You can be pretty much hidden in highsec from gankers while doing what you want. But if you choose to mine a couple of jumps from Jita, then expect to have to manage the potential consequences of that.
Most of highsec has 0 loss in any hour of play; and many systems have no loss for hours and even days on end (eg. looking at a system like Chesiette for example, the last player involved kill we can see was back in July, so even if there is a kill or 2 missing from that, it still isnât a large risk to mine/rat there).
Back in November (and apology for linking to one of my own posts. I donât have updated data right now), loss from any source (pvp or pve) was pretty low. It hasnât changed.
Thereâs 1192 highsec systems and only a handful of them have any real risk of regular ganking. Highsec doesnât need to be balance, people just need to make balanced choices.
Just pick a safe system and you can mine away pretty much unimpeded forever.
Iâve been mostly focusing on industry skills, with a side of âmake everything betterâ skills (Magic 14) and I got some frigate skills lined up with a plan to work my way to at least destroyer (and probably larger but no rush) and stick to PvE missions and mining for the near future. Iâll work out a more solid long-term plan when Iâm more than a week old.
