END STORY - Orca is a friggin SUPPORT SHIP CCP needs to deal with it LIKE they did with Carriers becoming Haulers nerf them from mining remove mining drones from drone bay its a support ship let it support with reps, boosts, drones as its role was intended CCP fuked up and over looked the millions of Orcas AFK mining it needs dealing with as a priority.
It was intended to be a decent mining vessel in its own right.
The maths posted above shows that it doesn’t mine as much as a barge. In fact it mines about half what an exhumer mines.
So, where is the issue if someone is prepared to sacrifice yield. Why is this such a drama.
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Risk vs/ rewards.
If you cannot introduce enough risk you can certainly try to outmine his rocks and remove/reduce his rewards. By all accounts here that wouldn’t be too diffucult for a proper mining group to achieve.
not the first time I got my 4 miners out in 3 barges 1 orca just to mine all his ore from under his drones the eve mails where delightful
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I was totally unaware my mother was such a bad person either lol
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Good grief, that’s ridiculous! There should be maybe one Orca per squad and the rest ought to be mining barges.
Maybe it’s bait?
There’s one guy operating in Kothe - turtle bamp - who uses a Stabber with an overpowered microwarpdrive to go bowling for miners in the ice fields there. I once saw him send an Orca flying dozens of kilometers away with a good hit. One time he even held still long enough for me to bump him with my Procurer when I was playing the matador to his charging bull.
I honestly can’t tell if some posters are just assholes or have become so bitter about the game’s chronic issues that they stopped putting in the effort to be civil.
Sounds right to me. Orcas are also tough enough that you can afford to go AFK in one without having to worry much about gankers. Fleets of thirty Catalysts aren’t exactly common.
Because he can’t suicide gank them.
lol what is this horseshit statement?
How does it deter newer players? They don’t care. Why would they care about some guy who is multiboxing 10 Orcas? Hes not attacking them. They get cheaper ore prices on the market.
The only one it is deterring is cancerous high sec suicide gankers, nobody else.
Stop making ■■■■ up.
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Dude are you off your meds tonight, you are so polarized on this you have resorted to exaggeration to try and press your point, often that is a sign of not having a legitimate point.
The simple fact is those orcas out there are content for you, others, and the pilots who fly them, do your thing and don’t focus on these as a reason to hate on others, people complain endlessly if there’s an orca and 10 macks draining a roid or ice field, it can literally be any combination with an orca and people will still complain, so where does it end, never if you can’t get yourself together because there will always be something to hate to spread the unhappiness.
Ignoring context, I want to add that … i think last year? … CCP made it possible to boosts oneself solo in a fleet.
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This is the norm on this forum, though. It’s being done by literally everyone who continuously cries about suicide ganking, bumping, afk cloaking and most topics related to safety. His exaggeration is blatantly obvious yet you call him out for it, as if there was any necessity to do so.
While in the mean time there’s a group of assholes on this forum continuously exaggerating the impact of suicide ganking and bumping, done by a minority of people with minimal impact on the population as a whole.
Either you’re a hypocrite, or you have no idea what’s going on around here.
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You are right, but there isn’t a mining booster that can give themselves mining boosts that matter.
All the mining boosters use drones, to avoid the self boosting issue.
You could do a BC with mining lasers and self boosts. I have no idea how that would compare amount wose but then you would have to jet can and be vulnerable to flipping.
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We all have. But we all have also seen people swear revenge and stay also.
The fact ganking happens is never going away from EVE. Don’t fight it’s existence. Instead address the ways in which it could be improved to be an engaging experience for both sides (in a different thread than one about Orcas)
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I will tell you how. This is an extreme showcase of pay2win. Not many players who sees or get ganked by Kusion 25 catalyst fleet or who sees 20 afking Orcas/Skiffs mining Ice belt really likes that sight/experience. And no, it is not because they got ganked/they got outsourced. It is because of the massive scale multiboxing that is allowed in this game.
Most players are disgusted when they see this and will lose interest in this game. There really aren’t many - if any at all - players who will say "wow, I also want to multibox 20 Orcas to mine / 20 catalysts to gank etc. I am no longer in touch with newer players but yeah, year ago when I used to be, they used to be very upset and demotivated when seeing the cases of such massive multiboxing. None of them still plays, but yeah they might left from 100 other reasons.
Also, what is that argument about cheaper ore lol? New players are not buying the ore/minerals, they are selling.
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I use to hold stead fast to be anti-gank and bumping is an annoyance that in my opinion is pretty pointless and should be removed cause it only serves as a way to annoy and is only one sided in it’s nature.
However as you seen what I posted, get in a ship a suicide his drones, if I must spell that out is the MOST effective way to take away an orcas ability to mine, do it once then next sit right outside the orca with a smartbomb ship and see if they deploy them, you have now shut down the mighty orca.
I mean that’s some low hanging fruit there, so what’s the issue, how much easier can it get for those that choose this game style, come on man give me that.
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It’s not a bad idea, but once you do this they can mine for fifteen minutes straight until you come back. He’ll likely have backup drones. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I’m not sure most people will care about losing t2 mining drones.
The more expensive ones, though… that’s a different topic.
Exactly, I have an orca, I use it to mine, I have the augmented mining drones, I just won’t use them so they are paper weights, they sit in the hanger and all I can hope for is they might get more valuable over time to make up for what it cost me otherwise I just can’t use them due to them being magnets for problems.
Again, the people who’s play style is to deny me have won that, the flip side for me is that I have to use the less yielding type which cuts backs on my isk per hour and those drones are not really worth the gank except to amuse others that they could shut down my ability to mine at all unless I use a dedicated mining vessel.
Except now most of those are very squishy with the exception of the procurer, but then there are sacrifices for using it, counter vs counter in the end it is a bit of a stalemate and CCP has left it up to us to decide how to break that, as it should be.
well yeah thats a given but as a solo player its mine in a barge or mine in the orca, unless i go with a weak tank or jet can mine i make more in my orca.
i have a alt in a mining corp and our mining ops is literily everyone showing up to mine and going afk, and hauling their own ore back. no corp sharing, no corp hauling just you showing up with everyone else to mine and take your share back, might as well be solo mining
New/other players don’t care? Strange how the system he afk mines that ice on is generally dead of other miners, as is the area every time he is mining.
This one is from today:
no you don’t. A skiff without implant nor boosts is already 30.5m³/s for 73k ehp, or 25.7 m³/s for 1221k EHP - both are better than an orca with 24.8m³/s.
Note that the highwall implant is anyhow less expensive than the fit, which leads to 31.6 and 26.7 m³/s. Sure you need to drop your ore, but at the same time the orca needs to move from a roid to another, and the drones take time to move so the yield of the orca is actually lower than what is written.
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It’s irrelevant if it has less yield than a boosted exhumer. An exhumer can’t go afk in near total safety and come back to a full anomaly mined into its ore hold. To do this you would need about 80 mackinkaws. And if anyone tried that it won’t be long before they come back from afk to 80 pods.
He is able to mine entire anomaly’s by sitting 1 orca on each roid and going afk for 2 hours. He can pop to the shops, come home, and have a full anomaly worth of ice mined, completely afk. And his odds of dying in those orcas is near zero because Orca’s have a ridiculous amount of HP for such a cheap ship.
Anyone fancy checking the names of all those Orcas on zkill to see how often he is ganked while afk mining ice for hours at a time? I doubt he ever lost one.
Here’s the bottom line. There is a ship that can be cheaply tanked to such excessive HP that it doesn’t have to worry about being ganked. It has the mining rate of an unboosted procurer and a near 200k ore hold. Which means if you get about 20 of these you can AFK mine entire anomalies dry in 100% safety.
That’s broken as ****
CCP may as well have introduced a barge that costs 500m, slightly slower mining rate than an exhumer but 200k ore hold and half a million ehp. Ah yeah, they did, that’s the current orca.
It’s effectively botting in the sense that it gives the same advantages. All the orca fleet pilot has to do it set it up and then go afk for hours.