As someone who is not a self proclaimed pedant, I support Arrendis’ statements on this. She is far from trivializing this situation and the feelings of quite a number of people, myself included.
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Do you support the black hand going ground side and causing trouble?
She might be a pedant but she is also right. The Deathglow victims were most likely the first to die. After which the Khanid proclaimed they “would wade in the blood of those who rose against them.”
There is no reason to believe that deathglow, a drug made to be sold, is contagious, particularly long lasting (certainly not for over a week!) or effective beyond what looks like quite limited shelf life, probably made even shorter when spread in aerosol form.
This is called argument deflection.
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Maybe, but it has a purpose. Because if you support the black hand, which to my knowledge is an offshoot of the bloody hand, then you are supporting a group that is recognised as terrorists by the Minmatar republic. You also say that the deathglow victims were the first to die, and that the drug would be long lasting since it would be sold. But it isn’t normal deathglow, it has insorum in it, and whatever else the blood raiders put in it. It appears that it deafens the effects of the vitoc enough for the new drug to take hold. The minmatar slaves started being violent after the chemical weapons dropped. Then the Khanid started their screw ups, which I have some doubts that the uhlans were in their right minds as well, since they were also hit with a chemical attack. Even though the Khanid were bombing the non violent slaves, the slaves were still reported as peaceful, to my knowledge. This lends credence to the deathglow being why the violence happened, and may continue to happen depending on what the blood raiders did to them
The slaves started “getting violent” when they saw an opportunity to actual, successful rebellion.
Like we did in AD23216, and won us a Republic as a result. Deathglow or Jove, who the hell cares, as long as the slavers die.
Else
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You’re still deflecting.
Insorum mixed in is irrelevant. You sound like a person that would think they get superpowers when bitten by a radioactive hobo.
The revolts were begun in the confusion and disarray of the deathglow attacks but any fool should be able to see that deathglow is not why they continue. If they stopped, they’d die in apathy, just waiting for the Khanid to execute them.
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And some of them, it appears, did choose to wait. And you do make a good point about it possibly wearing off. In the last event, on osis, how long did it take for that to wear off, and whst was the chemical compound difference between the two?
It should be noted that the attack on Oris failed. There wasn’t anyone afflicted except for a few dogs, which were put down.
The attack on Kaihu in Rens is the one where we can actually see its affects over a long period. There, as far as I understand, the effects wore off after a few days. There was also the attack on Mabnen a decade ago. It’s possible Deathglow is what was used back then, too. There were no reports of the effects being permanent.
We also know that, aside from the attacks, Deathglow is apparently sold and used as a narcotic. I’m not sure why anyone would want to use it, since everything about it screams “bad trip,” but that’s what it’s primarily made for.
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Id also like to apologize, I made a mistake. I was re reading the news articles and saw that populations that weren’t hit with the chemical weapon also decided to rebel. Mistakes my fault. I do have another question though in reference to the chemicals. The deathglow in the kther attacks wore off, and this attack had insorum in the cocktail as well. My question is. Why hasn’t the insorum worn off yet? It should have worn off as well, they would have been forced to find more vitoc, and the rebellion would be over because of the vitoc. Am I mistaken here or has this been explained before?
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No worries.
Insorum is a permanent cure. It eliminates the need for vitoc.
I had heard 2 conflicting reports. 1 being that it was a permanent cure, and 2, that it was a temporary treatment and was required for a long period of time.
Most reports have been that it is a permanent cure. I’ve not heard of it requiring multiple doses. That being said, I am not an expert on it, so I could be wrong.
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Two points of fact.
Deathglow, so far as I can summise, is a modified version of a naroctic gas employed by Amarr artillary know as the Psychological Chemical, Light Artillary Delivery round or PSYCLAD for short. These weapons were used extensively during the Minmatar Rebellion and as recently as the Battle of Pikes Landing but have more or less been phased out of service due to the heavy use of resparators and dropsuits on most modern battlefields that makes chemical weapons like PSYCLAD ineffective. Given the large stockpile I’d assume the Amarr would be sitting on I don’t think its a stretch to say that Deathglow is derived from these weapons if not just outright repurposed and rebranded.
Second, insorum is not an “antidote” so much as it is a genetically mutative substance that perminantly overrides the genetic strain introduced by vitoc. We have no idea how this combination of military grade narcotics originally developed as a chemical weapon and a substance that alters the genetics of a user effects someone, and I can’t imagine its anything good considering this attack seems to be cooked up in a space shed by Blood Raiders.
No, I’m not saying “bombard them from orbit just to be sure” but clearly however this effected the people hit by this attack was enough to spook the Kingdom into extreme action that inevitably launched this rebellion… likely just as the Blood raider playbook accounted for.
My point is theres a lot of unknowns here and shakey circumstances so anyone claiming they can somehow know exactly what happened planetside when those attacks happened one way or another is probably just trying to sell you something.
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I completely forgot about PSYCLAD. Good points
Vitoc itself requires regular dosing. Technically, Vitoxin is the actual toxic agent, and Vitoc is the “cure”, ie symptom suppressing agent, but no one uses the words exactly in every day language. Insorum is an actual cure.
It is easy to confuse the issue if you do not work directly with it, because in practice, Vitoc is still in wide use also in the free world, especially on humanitarian operations, because of availability issues.
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This presumes the people calling that extreme action ‘liquidating vermin’ were given to restraint beforehand. We’ve seen no indications of that… ever.
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Remaining mercenaries lost, operations on Kahah III cease
Today all the remaining operatives on surface of Kahah III died trying to support the Ushra’Khan’s landing forces from the ground. Their designated beneficiaries have been paid in full as per their contract.
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Due to a change in target location, the Black Hand has been extracted from the surface during the calmer period of this solar system.
An hostile troop movement including possible cyberknights compromised their extraction and required the use of tactical weapons to extract. Weapon uses include:
1 fused 5 kilton airburst
3 fused 1.5 kiloton groundbursts
Unknown confirmed enemy KIA, estimated enemy KIA are 75 from blast effects.
Direct combat enemy KIAs estimated at 140
Black Hand after action reports yield the following:
Black Hand KIA 3
Black Hand WIA 29 (5 from combat, 24 from mild to moderate radiation poisoning)
All viral agents recovered and remain sealed.
MISSION STATUS: FAILED.
Seeing the way things have transpired its apparent to me that:
- The Khanid seemed to manage more than well enough without our offer of help.
- We were right to distance ourselves from this conflict when we did.
The Khanid were never in any serious danger posed by paramilitaries or the Black Hand, but I’m thankful that we at least attempted intervention to seperate ourselves from any of the mercenary forces that will now forever be associated with the same groups that attempted a planetside invasion of sovereign Kingdom territory. More importantly, we weren’t on the same side as terrorists that have now openly attacked a neutral CONCORD SARO observer.
Having said that, I respect the bravery and tenacity of your soldiers that died proudly fighting for the liberty of their fellow men and women on the ground @Teinyhr. To undertake such a mission I’m certain that they had to have known the risks and chose to make that sacrifice.
They would have made fine warclones, so as far as I am concerned the Bosena Accords views their loss as just as somber as the loss of one of our own.
You on the other hand.
If you truly were deploying warclones in the area then I can only assume that by KIA you also mean that you failed to recover their consciousness and that those three warclones have subsequently been purged. You placed your soldiers into a position of unacceptable risk with weapons you knew would mark them as criminals undeserving of mercy, and now three of your people have been permanently lost.
You may view it as all the same as if a handful of mortal mercenaries were lost, because to you it all happens “down there” away from your view. But for us in getting your men purged you have committed one of the most serious crimes according to the Accords. Imagine if you were a fleet commander and your actions resulted in the permanent death of three of your capsuleers.
The only good thing to come out of this is that it all goes towards proving just how important the Bosena Accords are to preserving the existence of warclones instead of just allowing our fellow soldiers to run around unchecked and without any form of support network.
So thanks for that.
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Ever heard of backups? They went into this operation knowing that they would not reclone and upon death would revert to a backup.
Unconventional operations are best run with those who refuse to “play by the rules”. It is an admirable trait in any operative or recruit.