yeah, i agree that you guys have yet to provide any counter arguments to perfectly fine critique.
but obviously, its easier for you to discard me as a troll, for whatever reason
Oh no, weâre not at that point yet. We got stuck at the âcorrespondent didnât understand the replies, letâs give him another chanceâ.
i only brought up player numbers due to a certain âpointâ made by others about how sucessfull eve isâŚ
These regular threads are useful for training and shaping some arguments / formulations, if you are in the mood. Maybe other may find the points helpful.
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the dunning krueger is strong with this one.
i did, but most of those were rather worthless since they are not considering what i said at all.
the best example would be the âpointâ people made about multiboxing. i explained in detail why that removes alot of mmo aspect/content and the only answer i ve gotten to that is âhurr durr i can afford it why shouldnt iâ which is very short sighted, to put it nicely.
should i really consider humans like this to be of average intellect if they cant think 1-2 steps further?
lets say you choose to be a pirate, that means you get low security standing and cant dock or fly through highsec, very cool thing to allow. what is the current solution to low sec standing? get an alt so you still can trade, absolutly negating the downsides of being a pirate.
now lets think about a world without multibox, you are a pirate, how do you trade? you interact with other people to sell/buy stuff. they might not want to trade with you because you are a pirate, or give you higher prices than average. there could also be certain items or modules that only pirates can get their hand on or equip, or other items and mod they cant use.
its such a simple mechanic that allows for some many variations, making the experience more unique and indepth which is fully ignored by multiboxing aka âcheating the systemâ.
now answer this question, would you enjoy a feature like i just described, yes or no and why?
Lol no, you buy and hand-in tags and be highsec eligable in a few minutes. There is also no relationship to multi-boxing at all. Trade alt chars usually are on the same account, as you donât need need them together with your main.
Nobody is interested in artificially complicating reshipping and trade, for keeping the PvP fueled.
Sadly, if you were of even average intellect youâd be doing a lot better here.
For instance, youâre confusing âmulti-boxingâ with âhaving an alt character or accountâ. Multi-boxing is logging in more than one character at the same time. EVE benefits from multi-boxing because itâs more of a strategy game than a âtwitchâ game. CCP benefits from multi-boxing because they get more $$ out of fewer but dedicated players, which is what niche games like EVE generally attract.
What youâre actually complaining about is the ability to have an alt character. There are no games that Iâm aware of that prevent having alt chars. Every online game I know allows multiple characters and multiple accounts, even if only âunofficiallyâ.
Youâre literally tilting at windmills here. You canât even correctly identify the things youâre complaining about, you canât recognize that thereâs no way to achieve what youâre thinking of, and you still try to carry off the âIâm being logical and smart and explaining everything here, but you guys are just too dumb to understandâ.
Youâre literally proving you have a sub-standard understanding of EVE (and gaming in general) with every post, yet imagining in your head youâre a genius.
Pro tips: Stating your personal preferences as facts doesnât make them so. Telling people youâre a master while talking like a fool isnât impressing anyone. Getting your math and facts wrong every second post isnât âexplaining in detailâ.
Sometimes, it truly is better to remain silent and be considered a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
okay, next time i ll be even more specific, since you clearly try your hardest to be ignorant.
if i say multibox, i also imply alts.
funnily enough tho, instead of talking about the possibility, you would rather try your hardest to ignore new and refreshing content by simply saying âwont workâ instead of finding ways to make it work. Lets talk about IF it were a feature, would you like it or no? can u answer a simple question without being a dickhead for once maybe?
it can work if ccp doesnt allow for multiple characters on one account, banning alts aka multiboxing.
think ahead, please.
the only reason for other characters to exist in the first place is the SP system, otherwise you wouldnt need it. If you were capable of concentrating on the bigger picture, you wouldnt even start your sentence like you did.
Iâve never seen poll results (official or player made) about the reasons people have for quitting. There must be many reasons, like the game requiring any player to make a genuine effort esp in the first year.
For those who came here for the pve and only the pve, a comparison with other games is quickly made, especially if those other games are focused on pve. Our pve isnât meant to be as attractive.
I used to play guild wars 1 (wasnât too much of a fan of gw2). It almost bled to death in 2012 when gw2 was released, except for the pvp part of it - limited as it is. Perhaps there is some truth in the thought that pvp has a better chance of retaining people long term. There is also some truth in the thought that our game retains people who come here for its truly unique aspects, like the player driven market (which is a confrontation with other players as well, but hardly what is called pvp in other games).
Eve offers extra dimensions to just about anything we can think of doing, always adds extra dimensions you would not get in other games - often because we play on a single shard universe. Thatâs what keeps people here. And yes, we love it, warts and all, thanks to/despite - w/e your mood is - ccp.
I, for one, donât see how it removes any aspect or content at all. If anything it adds another layer of difficulty if you want to oppose the multiboxer, or want to circumvent âthe eye in the skyâ. It makes it more interesting to think of counters. It is, after all, a clash of intelligent players.
Perhaps a big part of competition in EvE goes beyond simply blowing up ships (npcâs or playersâ), and centered around outsmarting other players. Iâm lying. Of course it goes beyond blowing up ships, and of course it is about seeking any advantage. And perhaps the âoutsmartingâ part is the biggest hurdle in player retainment.
I assume this is the question
First off, youâre not talking about multiboxing here. Youâre talking about consequences for actions, and youâre talking about multiple accounts. You want consequences to be dire, to a point where being a naughty space pilot should make your pilotâs life miserable to the point of being unplayable.
Newsflash: the game is specifically designed to allow players to RP the naughty space pilot. You can be Darth Vader here if you really want. You can be free of any pre-conceived expectations of decency, loyalty and honesty, if such is your wish, and continue to play the game in a normal, functional way.
Second, with the gameâs complexity in roles and activities, being allowed multiple accounts is not only revenue for ccp, it also expands the horizon in EvE for any player. In the case of your pirate, needing a second account is already an extra difficulty, a consequence of the choice. Any step further and he can simply biomassâŚ
So itâs a no from me. I have and always will oppose any changes to the game that turn it into a âtheme parkâ, take away freedom, increase handholding to ridiculous levels, or Bob forbid, turn hisec into a pvp-excluded area, and become anything else but the vicious, demanding, and nearly limitless game that it is. And itâs especially a no if any changes are driven by a strange need to accommodate those without imagination or the drive to succeed.
Dude, you may notice that people started replying to you honestly, and you were the one that started with the âyou guys just canât grasp my conceptsâ and other snide replies. You really shouldnât be surprised if you start being a dick, that other people will reply in kind.
Especially since what you refer to as âbeing a dickheadâ simply consists of âusing facts and reason to discount your personal bias opinionsâ.
That said, no, I wouldnât like it if EVE somehow found the magic formula to force everyone to play on only one character on one account. I play alts in every single game Iâve ever played. So does something like 80% of the player base, according to anything Iâve ever seen any game dev publish.
If a game is interesting then I want to try out various different aspects of it with various different characters. You, on the other hand, seem to want to play one character, and force all the rest of the game and all other players into a shape that suits your personal preference.
No PC game, anywhere, has managed to successfully limit players to one character on one account.
Again, not accepting reality is delusional. Youâve backed yourself into a corner where the only defense of your mistakes is to postulate an impossible situation. Youâre not getting buy-in from other people because those people are aware of just how unrealistic, like literally impossible, your preferences are, and so youâre just spouting fairy unicorn rainbow farts here and trying to convince people theyâre solid gold.
Do yourself a favor: start with simple steps, like learning the difference between âIâve played for 60 daysâ and âIâve been playing for 6 weeksâ, and work up from there. You might eventually get close enough to reality to reach out and touch it.
Try it. Donât be afraid. It builds character.
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Hello Lucas, still waiting for a reply here that you conveniently ignored:
Please let us know how you get people to âteam upâ without multiboxing being possible. For example, Incursions (has final boss), Flashpoint Observatories, C5 and C6 WH ratting (has final boss), mining, belt ratting (has final boss in cap escalations and officers), SCC key sites (gated to 3 people only), Homefront sites, just off the top of my head.
For someone as smart as you it is really surprising you havenât already replied with your intelligent solution. (Edit: but had time enough for 7 giant posts to other people)
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He should start with the Social skills first and work his way up to Reading Comprehension V.
But that could take years!
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Does your âlogicâ come with actual evidence ? Plucking invented figures out of the air is not logic.
Thatâs the trouble with you whiners. You donât know the actual figures on most things so you just make stuff up.
What a load of rubbish from someone who has barely been in the game 10 weeks. The reality is that ( as others have also pointed out ) you are simply ignorant of all that can be done. Iâve been in the game over 2 years and am still learning and doing lots of new stuff.
SheeshâŚget back to shooting Ventures with a Loki and stop gracing us with such drivel.
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again proving you are not capable of reading correctly. i HAVE been playing for about 60 days, of which i spent 6 weeks exploring, read carefully.
well, there is a simple explanation to that, usually rngâs have different classes and factions, which offer different playstyles.
in eve pretty much the only thing forcing someone to have multiple accounts/characters is because you need to train your SP up, the rest of the game doesnt require you to be a certain race or faction to play it. you can at all times fix your standings, buy up security status etc. which in my opinion would only make your choices have more impact and therefore allowing for a better immersion.
What does one have to do with the other? I have skills training right now, on one account, with the game turned off and Iâm walking into a job interview?
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No ! Really ? Is it really him ? Are you very sure ? If true, things just got better 
He mistakes actual players (registered, logged in or not) with PCU, having seen (and maybe used) those famous graphs without any reflection at all, or maybe because it looks supportive of certain arguments.
Hereâs another number, from the Guardian in 2022, for the occasion of Fanfest. They mention 50M players. They donât mention a source either, but why phantasize about 50M if you could go bigger, right ? Welcome to EVE Online: the spaceship game where high-flyers live out their imperial fantasies | Games | The Guardian
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Once again showing off your complete ignorance of the game. There are numerous reasons for having multiple characters/accounts. I have different chars for different activites. For example this char is primarily involved in station bashing with Wrecking Machine. I have another Omega char that is now skilled for nullsec wars. And another that is a scout and bumper. And so on. I have 15 chars, and they all do different things, sometimes multiboxed.
You just keep making stuff upâŚwhich is invariably the sign of someone who doesnât really have a clue what they are talking about. As Iâd expect from a 10 week old player.
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