Besides the fact that I’m not a boomer and that all her posts are sarcastic, I don’t see what argument I could make for word salads.
But I tire of your whine so I will take my leave of you.
Good luck presenting your exceptional ideas to CCP.
This is another stat you just invented on the fly. Your PvP might be 90% at gates…but mine has been at structures, asteroid belts, anomalies, and only a small portion at gates.
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Okay, so you basically carried the goal posts to the neighboring town’s field with that example.
But you know what? That’s okay. We’ll go with your absolutely skewed example anyway, and ask you this question:
“And?”
What is “28m/month” for you, as a long-time, established veteran? What percentage of your wealth is that? Are you truly getting more utility out of that 28 million than a brand new player would get out of 2 million, which saves them like an hour’s worth of Venture mining?
Of course I am.
It doesn’t matter what you or I think about it. What matters is what consumers as a group think about it. And the dominant perception, if you read opinion aggregators like Steam reviews, is that the subscription is basically a pay-to-win monetization scheme that gate-keeps new players from experiencing the game fully and committing to it.
But once again, this wasn’t what my argument was about, which was…
Nothing that I’ve said dealt with the subscription. I was responding to your statement that players who want spending money that they don’t have to grind garbage-tier high-sec PvE content for should buy and sell some PLEX that’s “the price of a pint” or whatever.
You people inserted subscriptions into that argument; I didn’t. I mean I get it, debate is difficult, and you have to understand context, keep track of arguments, et cetera. But we’re at the point here where I say something like “the government needs to lower tax rates,” and you respond with “NO YOU’RE WRONG, KITTIES AREN’T TOO FLUFFY!”
Like…are you people okay?
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This would explain a lot. Also shows that I was right from the beginning and right in not even bothering to put any sort of effort into this thread, it’s just a waste of energy.
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They are free. and different genre’s. And are lobby games to use the term. Sit in a lobby an wait for matchmaker to make an instance.
I can hop in a CS2 match or 2 and leave. If its All I have time for…well it works. Its free even. I think I bought one skin for a weapon. I don’t feed the loot box millions. I did one skin for skin at 100% I will get this.
CS2 and moba does not have herding 50+ cats across 20 systems jsut to get to the fight like eve does.
maybe, but thats because i dont like to fly with 80 people.
but also, go to zkill, filter for 0.0 kills and look where most of them die
this “stargate” location seems to be a new name for planets i guess
again, its only logical it happens at gates, because there isnt alot of possibilities to catch someone, somewhere different. which is exactly why i came up with the warp point at the start
im not talking about defending structures, im focusing on the solo/small fleet portion of the game.
yes you can tackel a rorq and escalate it into a big fight, but there also has to be content if you dont want to join a big corp for boring stretched out 100v100 fleets
I care neither about the ‘dominant perception’…as I think most people are stupid…or about reviews from the entitled generation who want everything free and with an attendance medal.
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Aggregated “opinions” from players who do not want to pay for what they consume ? Impressive in its stupidity. Try pitching that approach to Disneyland: take all the rides, pay for ticket afterwards.
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nah you are just brainwashed into thinking a subscription base is a good concept.
think about it, you have to spend atleast 240 coins a year to play eve, which is 4 times the price of a fully finished AAA game.
just look at free to play games like dota, not only do they attract more players - because you can try to game without limitations - but also they make way more money than subscription based games.
EVE could go for that aswell, limiting non essential things like skins to real money (still allowing to trade those ingame)
think about it rationally, would you rather spent 240 a year for a game that doesnt allow you to fully enjoy it until 5 years when you have the needed skills, which would be a total of 1200 coins, or would you rather buy 20-40 fully finished games that dont limit you and you can enjoy them to their fullest?
I think you’re making a lot of assumptions (you seem to do that a lot) about EVE’s demographics. EVE’s average player age today is close to 40. Even a decade ago, zoomer-aged (equivalent to 27 and under today) players made up a minority, which today is likely so tiny that it doesn’t even register. I haven’t met anyone under 30 in years, and I’m a talker.
Which is all to say that the “entitled generation” aren’t the ones writing EVE reviews. To get a better picture of who does, I’d recommend looking in the mirror.
It doesn’t matter, the CCP marketing/executive teams are going to value those opinions much more than they value yours. And they’ve routinely proven this for the past decade.
By the way, I’m pro-sub. But I’m also not ignorant enough to not acknowledge that this isn’t dinosaur logic.
Impressive reply. It can go straight up with the “aggregated opinions on Steam”. Especially since you’ve already shown that you would throw out all the guaranteed income for ccp, and let them gamble on casual spending models.
Nah, Lucas. It won’t do. You used to try to get ganking out of the game. Now you want to stem the revenue for ccp. Trolling indeed.
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take your medication, im still not that lucas guy.
also if you have read my points i want to get even more ganking in the game, because its to easy to avoid ganks imo.
but ofc, once again, you completly ignore my perfectly reasonable points to focus on your butthurt ego.
Y’all are pretty whipped if you think that it’s Lucas.
Perhaps they will. It won’t prevent me, or anyone else, from telling them up front that that would be a fatal mistake for this particular game.
Perhaps it is, in some way, “dinosaur” or “boomer” or w/e term is in fashion. That does not make the logic wrong, especially if the logic makes predictions that prove to be correct.
I think we both know how and why ccp rakes in extra cash from casual players, but relies on the steady revenue stream from subscribed customers.
It’s “a” Lucas. Not necessarily “the” Lucas. I think it’s our forum visitor who started making all those weird threads about ideas back in August. Anyway, it doesn’t matter if he is or not. He throws his ideas on the forums, he’s entitled to replies, whether he likes it or not.
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if you had any substance when replying i wouldnt mind in the slightest. but as of right now, all you can do is being rude and making terribly jokes, even failing at providing a decent punchline.
We have a runner for us who is 22
Come on, we all know you meant it literally. Don’t chicken out; own your words and beliefs.
What I noticed was that pretty much everyone dog-piled on the OP, and not only that, but they made it personal (when the OP did no such thing, at least in the beginning). While the OP has some bad takes (e.g. the travel mechanics, and lack of foresight with regard to how changing them would shift the game’s economic balance), the real issue is that you all obviously get shook every time someone comes in and challenges your super-narrow worldview, and questions your self-alleged prestige for playing this “difficult and skill-intensive” game.
You have some self-retrospection to do. I’ve already done mine. I’ve been here for two decades, but I’m under no delusion that a motivated power-gamer can’t learn the game and experience most of what it has to offer within a few months.
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umm, whut?
the topic was ‘universal income’, to which I responded.
give me the parameters you’d like me to use. Malcanis’ Law will still hold true.
oh, it’s a pittance. it’d probably pay for my ammo for the month,
maybe,
So you’re agreeing with me? Great!
Because otherwise it would make no sense for 28 million ISK to benefit you more than 2 million ISK would benefit a brand-new player. Because you can ■■■■ out 28 million ISK in like 13 seconds, right? You probably don’t even need to do anything to make that much money. Just open up some random can in your hangar you forgot about for the past 9 years, and sell a tenth of some random item stack, right? But for a new player, 2 million ISK is like an entire evening’s worth of garbage-tier, bottom-feeding PvE content.
And this is using your off-the-field example where the new player is getting 2 million, and you’re getting 28 million, for some unknown reason. Like, I had no idea universal incomes even worked that way, but like I said, we’ll go with it just to accommodate you, instead of going with something much more reasonable and rational like all players getting the same set amount of money on their primary registered account.
Maybe that Malcanis fellow wasn’t as smart as everyone thinks he was?
I would like it if it were the real Lucas, that much is true. I had some real quality forum time with him, lol. But I already replied to Io that I did not think it was him (post 234). This was just me checking under the couch if he was hiding there 
The real issue ?
- The real issue is version 148 of the same topic on the forums, the “big ideas” who don’t pass even the first level of scrutiny but are hailed as the best solution to non-existent or very minor problems.
- Add to that the “you are fools if you don’t see that it is a solution that is necessary to get new players in”.
- Add to that the “your arguments are old-fashioned/boomer/dinosaur/without substance”, iow not being able to deal with criticism.
- Add to that the absence of a cool headed approach to a thread and starting to insult people who took the time to discuss the ideas in a polite and reasonable way.
- Add to that the bittervet extremes who pipe in.
- Factor in that at least some on the official forums love the game and will defend its core qualities, mostly based on their perception and experience.
- And finally add to that the fact that there never was a discussion, despite the presence of valuable arguments. Somehow they proved inconvenient
and you get a thread like this one - one of too many.
Reads like your experience has been a bit one-sided ? Most people don’t even find all the important links to EvE-related websites in that time.
As to the “self-retrospection”, one can’t pretend to ignore what one already knows. All I see is a confusing game where plenty of mistakes will be made by new people. What they will learn in those first few months is that ship losses are real, and painful if they haven’t figured out how to make enough isk to replace them.
Btw, 28M > 2M, so Malcanis’ Law still holds, nominally.
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