I do.
Yours.
And its stinking up the thread.
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No butthurt about War. but botting is realy problem EVE that destroy ecomony in game…
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Yours…
The OP made the correct point on this, in that the botting carried out by this player gave him and his corp / alliance a huge advantage. If pointing that out is butthurt then everything will be butthurt to you which is about the measure of you as a person.
PS That JF was in Lyen-Ousta, was funny to tell that player exactly what to do to save it. The reaction of the VMG players was butthurt, they PC’d the player concerned to tell him he used an exploit and they would petition it, I enjoyed that so much, suck on that.
PPS @Yaosus cry more please, I have no desire to waste my valuable time with someone like you, even Dom looks more sensible than you and that really says something.
I have to add this:
You changed that statement a bit, in terms of my comment about VMG it was only in relation to what PIRAT did to me with that trick, and I just said it was such a good trick that I recently helped someone to use it against your alliance, that you were trolled by it was your issue not mine.
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I agree to that 100%.
What he saysabout VMG is a trolling attempt. He is afterall a renowned forum troll. LOL QED he started the trolling as expected.
@Dracvlad please abstain yourself from trolling. There is a more important subject to be discussed.
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I can assure you that I am not butt hurt about any wars, for example my only ship loss to a war dec was from PIRAT and that was a war I instigated against what I knew was a war dec POCO owning corp.
Yaosus threw out a butt hurt troll remark and then accused me of being a troll merely because I pointed out his connection to PIRAT as a +10 blue, as in his alliance being closely allied with PIRAT. It is typical of the type of posting by players like him who troll and then accuse the others of trolling, but what the hell, just seeing him get all troll like and then accuse me of it was great fun for me.
The statement is that the player concerned ran the bots to enable him to be an effective war decker in hisec, it impacted more than just the economy and had advantage affects laid out by CCP Falcon which were linked by the OP. So while I agree it affects the economy, it affects much more than that.
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Ban him for bottling and remove all illgotten-gains? Absolutely, that shouldn’t even be a discussion. Ban for wardeccing? No, that’s within game rules.
One thing worse than a cheater is a cheating griefer who targets new players. Imagine how much they suck if they have to do this.
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Exactly.
Few things piss off and demotivate legit players more, than cheating and botting.
Especially in a game like EVE, where we are systemically all inter-connected/dependent.
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Who suggested that? Can’t see that in this thread at all, just people seeing that his botting gave him a huge advantage, perhaps you might want to read what CCP Falcon said about it a few times.
From what I can clearly read, the OP is stating the ENTIRE ALLIANCE should be “shut down”/banned/etc for using illicit botting proceeds to declare highsec wars. I am stating that the “botters” should be banned for botting and the illicit gains removed from the game, however the entire alliance should not be “shut down” as a result of botters funding them, just the assets gained removed.
Read that twice if you need to, to grasp the entire thing. The answer was in the topic’s headline, I had hoped everyone had reading trained to at least level 1.
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But that is not for war decking is it? No one has called for a ban for war decking have they?
You talk about reading and comprehension but you just made yourself look like an even bigger fool, I highlighted the key area for you in your own sentence. Please think it through and read what CCP Falcon said.
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Ok, your clearly just be an argumentative moron. Nothing you’ve stated so far has even been remotely close to accurate or hell even related to the topic at hand. Feel free to scream your rants into this empty room, I’m going to grab a bite to eat.
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The OP is stating that the incident was a botting case. Until CCP analyzes the data and says something about it, you do not know. I must agree it looks bad.
Then the OP speculates that the entire alliance was using the isk to fund wars. Which again is a speculation because the OP has no proof, only CCP has it. And you do not have an official reply to that.
You do not need isk from botting to fund your wars, hisec is richer than null in many ways and shooting players is isk rewarding 
not to mention fun.
@Abyss_Azizora ignore the troll. He is here to stir things up. It is what he does best.
Bottom line is botting is bad.
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Oh dear, so says the person who tried to turn this into a ban for war decking thread. Have a long long bite to eat please… 
And one more point I have not actually agreed with the statement of banning PIRAT as such, just made an observation on the advantage botting gave them. So calm down…
I was not the one who tried to paint this as a ban for war decking thread as your good friend did, nor was I the one throwing butt hurt around for the crime of merely pointing out to Salvas that you were joined at the hip with PIRAT, I guess I could have told him by evemail, might have saved you some angst, but I did not réalise you were so sensitive.
PS The change of ownership / CEO etc. indicates that they expect a ban to be incoming for the accounts that benefited from the botting, would have been fun if the ban had hit home before they had a chance to do that, but that is the only way a corp / alliance would end up being affected by a ban for botting.
PPS @Yaosus That comment I posted about the JF was not meant as a troll against you, I was merely pointing out how they managed to get a kill on me, as a mechanic it works both ways, hell did I enjoy using it against war deckers, yes, but I would have really enjoyed it immensely if I had usred it against PIRAT. Anyway relax, I was not trolling you honest.
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I think I would come at this from a slightly more abstract point of view, in that it says a lot about the player concerned that he has to bot, in other words breaking the rules to be in the position to blow up mainly new players, how sad is that and what low self-esteem he must have. On reflection I think I just agreed with your sentence…
Truth is that I find it utterly hilarious, funny and sad, that a very effective war dec alliance is built on top of botting. I went from being impressed and to a degree respectful of PIRAT’s activities to looking at them with gleeful contempt…
In any case this is a difficult thing to sort out and I don’t envy CCP Falcon in any sense of the word.
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“demoralized” is the worst thing for a player.
he can be puverized, ganked, wardecced, pointed out from nowhere, hunted to the end of new eden, beated at 0.1isk war…
that’s the game!
but when bots do the job and dev dont move a bit, uninstall button is not so far away
now, whenever i saw PIRAT in hs, i saw a bot in null grinding , that’s demoralized things!
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If they get demoralized by that, essentially something that is easily avoided without losing any convenience or gameplay, what will they do if they one day move into null sec of low sec where a war against them can’t be avoided by leaving the corp? 
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That is a mighty big assumption there!
Easily avoided is the only true part of that statement of opinion, it is losing convenience and gameplay, but his point which is a true one, is that if that war dec is aided by long term high intensity botting of course they will feel demoralized and suffer a massive de-incentive to continue playing, no doubt about that.
Really? I have not felt demoralized by the war decs against my corps or alt corps. In contrast, I regularly try to get people to engage the war decers to teach them a lesson. Maybe I just don’t care enough. 
So you don’t care about botting? Or you do not care about war decs? Or you do not care about war decs by entities that have made themselves very strong by botting?
Look, I had a good long look at PIRAT, when I was last in hisec and I was ship scanning them etc., the amount of deadspace, faction and even purple in some fits was astounding and I would think that it came mainly from botting. If you are telling me that that does not matter and you do not care about that then are we playing the same game? I know how much ISK, high grade slave implants and such modules etc. have in terms of advantage, seriously?