There you have it, people are running 14 SP farms because it earns them isk.
So 14 times extra plex for subbing AND the plex for skill extractors.
And people wonder why plex prices went up.
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14 accounts is a small SP farm. There are people who have over hundred SP farm accounts.
You cant really blame the players though. CCP created the mechanic. If you give players the tools to make billions per month with 0 risk, they will use them.
SP farm account (948 PLEX/month) > regular account (~300 - 500 PLEX/month)
CCP probably made that decision 2 years ago when they designed skill trading.
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Ohw I donāt blame the players.
I just think it sucks that because of a feature I am not interested in (skill injectors) the price for what I am interested in vastly increased.
Skill extractors/injectors just directly compete with gametime because they come from the same limited source.
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You donāt play the game in nulsec do you OR just have no understanding of what a pirate is.
Let me help you, to get to -10 (become a pirate) you must destroy many players in highsec and lowsec (or pop a few pods). Easy enough to do, I can get to -10 in a couple of days podding players.
Problem is as soon as i get home to nulsec and do a little ratting (how i pay to play) I quickly lose my -10 status.
There is in fact already a player funded bounty pool, less than 1 in 100 who hunt for bounties make enough to replace lost ships let alone plex an account. The few who do make a living from it spend all or most of their time gate camping highsec waiting for some unfortunate with a killright and bounty to pass by.
Most bounties in nulsec are in the region of a few hundred thousand isk, at most, due to the bounty being paid to everyone in fleet and based on a small % of the value of the ship destroyed and not the actual amount of the bounty on the player. This was introduced a few years ago to STOP people cashing out large bounties.
So no you would never have enough āpiratesā in nulsec to be able to reduce or remove npc bounties - Shoot an NPC - Improve sec status - Not a pirate.
Unless CCP decide player bounties can once again be āfarmedā you will never see them replace NPC bounties.
Oh and suggesting Concord funded player bounties - CCP want to remove isk from the game not put more into itā¦
Tipa Riot2d Rain6637
That would be a very good move. Then thy only have to remove or drastically reduce bounty payment in favor of loot/tags/LP.
They already have tags and LP to increase bounty payouts, they rarely get used as mangaing them and defending them from thieves just isnāt worth the effort and minimal increase in payout. Then you have the added pain of having to go to some highsec region to cash out the LP, also making ESSās less desirable.
Adding more loot in place of isk - Youāre talking about every ratter needing to have a hauler and noctis (or MTUās is salvage isnāt worth it) to use after every anom. How much loot (in volume) would be required to reduce bounties? Right now I pick up around 700 to 800 m3 per anom, worth around 4 to 6 mil so to reduce bounties you would need to either; Increase the loot drop values (drop better mods) or substantially increase the amount dropped - and keep increasing it over time as the markets get flooded and the value drops off to nothingā¦
All this sort of thing would achieve is to force those who canāt afford to pay subs with real money out of the gameā¦
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The price of the mods decreasing would be heavily offset by the increased value of isk which would also lower the price of plex.
In any case whatever you put into ratting rewards instead of ISK will be overfarmed (and get cheaper).
And it would be really difficult to balance rewards over difference regions of space.
Couldnāt be any worse than the ābalanceā that we currently have.
If you go back to my idea then you get the follow responses.
The over farming would be a balance of risk vs. Reward. If itās safe enough to over farm, then your reward drops.
The regional differences could come in the form of racial components that would be used to build racial specific null sec gear, i.e. if you want amarr capital ships and gear, you farm amarr space. This would be similar to the indy change they just did to T3Cās.
@rain6637 I thought the increase was due to the increase in granularity for PLEX? They introduced also higher prices for PLEX which I believe shot the isk price up a bit. It seems to be remaining stable at around 1.5b currently, and was around 1.4 I think the last time I logged in prior months ago.
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So your idea is to completely overhaul industry as we know it.
Smaller groups who share space with a power block have less income because the block can field more ratters therefore driving prices for āracial itemsā down.
Basically the issue we have currently but removing industry as we know it and changing it to something the larger groups can use to further dominate the game.
Brilliant planā¦
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White picket fences. From war economics to consumptive economics.
Just gonna have to deal with it.
Price will just go up and up.
Only way to pro-actively battle that, is to go Alpha, leading to less demand.
I recently was unable to PLEX and am going to see what I can get done with Scythe Fleet and alt exploration Probe instead.
PS: Friendly reminder that when Alpha you can only fly racial ships. Was confused with Vexor Navy UIs for a solid 5mins till I remembered Im Minnieā¦ Fortunately can still use missiles/projectile/drones on Scythe Fleet and it has pretty good stats.
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Only if Scythe would look like Stabber. CCP, please switch models. 
You could also buy plex with $$ to increase the offer technically.
Time to turn PLEX into an item that can only be undocked with/traded one time. After that you must use it or it goes to waste.
The hoarders tears will flood the game.
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Just gonna have to deal with it.
Price will just go up and up.
Only way to pro-actively battle that, is to go Alpha, leading to less demand.
This wont help. SP farms will keep the demand for PLEX high.
In the past the PLEX prices always went down during the summer because of lower activity in the game (= less demand). In summer 2016 PLEX cost 1.8 mill. This summer it costs 3 mill (a price increase of more than 50%!) and the price will continue to go up, although player numbers are at 2007 levels. SP farm accounts are unaffected by external factors like hot weather and holidays. They continuously consume 948 PLEX per month.
PLEX prices will go down when SP farms become unprofitable.
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Which is never gonna happen. Even if SP Farms run in the red, it is still a margin curve of what is required to compensate for deficit at what effort for what activity.
Which is kinda why thereās been an increasing move towards acquiring mining characters on the road towards pending moon mining changes 
This is a pointless debate. The only way the price hike is going to stop is if PLEX is no longer a station trading drama commodity AND / OR if PLEX were tied to the account after purchase.
Even then you would see a continued price rise. Fine, not as subject to manipulation, more in line with isk supply (fun tidbits on that in the economic report I should say, downhill) and inflation (overheating at its core, but margins within allotted variance).
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Yes indeedy you are 
You are correct about the PLEX thing also, CCP makes more money if people sub with PLEX. The only downside is that PLEX income is not as guaranteed as subscriptions from an investors point of view so the company may be better off with less money in guaranteed form if they were trying to attract investment capital.
Long story short, CCP want everyone to use PLEX because more money. Worth keeping subs around so customers feel they have a choice and arenāt forced to give CCP real money (jokes on them, they already give CCP more money than the sub).
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Ehsan Faaz4h
Time to turn PLEX into an item that can only be undocked with/traded one time. After that you must use it or it goes to waste.
The hoarders tears will flood the game.
Donāt really need to go that far, all it would take is for CCP to have a plex sale for a couple of weeks.,.
That doesnāt solve the problem in the slightest. Thatās only a temporary fix. What needs to happen is the NPC bounty system needs to be removed and the rewards for killing NPCs reappropriated. Until this happens isk will continue to be worth less, hoarders will continue to hoard, and PLEX prices will continue to rise.
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