Your GRRR GOONS is showing. The reason we get that much bounties is that we actually use our space. If people stopped being lazy elsewhere and used their space to the level we do, they would also get around the same amount of bounties. Same for ore mined but it’s much easier to bitch and moan than actually trying to get to that level of space usage.
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CCP’s new advertising campaign is correct: PLEX is power.
Their shameless P2W-dangling ad has it backwards though. It is the people that have the economic power in this game that get to control the PLEX and enjoy all the benefits it offers to further increase their dominance of the game. Income generating alts, injectors, and all the other benefits, including playing for free, all flow to who can afford the most to buy PLEX.
This was always the case though. Nothing has changed. SP-injectors may have accelerated things, but PLEX was always the strategic resource we are fighting for and all that is happening is the water is draining from the pond as PLEX dries up and the smaller, weaker fish are being tossed out of the water.
Thankfully, a subscription is an option for many, but still players are going to miss the previously affordable luxury to PLEX an alt or even their main with a little work. For some paying isn’t an option and they will be leaving us, and for many others, a downgrade in their lifestyle will be intolerable and they will quit possibly taking a paid subscription with them. This can’t be good for the long term health of the game, but sadly I see nothing CCP can do other than to fix their game.
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In an unusual turn of events I keep having to agree with you. Please stop this, it’s most disconcerting.
CCP is lost on this PLEX issue and whom ever is in control seems to try to protect CCP but values short term monetary gains over PLEX as a marketing tool.
PLEX needs a less of a tie to the speculation market for it to be what it as billed as a way for a average player to subscribe with a in game item. Now with PLEX denominations / vault it is a defacto reserve currency. Why contract items in ISK anymore I want 2000 PLEX for XYZ. This is why I believe the acceleration in PLEX vs ISK.
In real life their are unavoidable setbacks that happen via the environment this demolishes wealth IE earthquake your city sucks now have a nice day. CCP needs to shake up this static economic system. WTF a slingshot black whole just whipped out Rens lets face it Rens had it coming.
CCP needs to allow players to invest PLEX in CCP Bonds. CCP sends you a certificate of a PLEX investment Principal is zero dollars / euros but this gives your a “share” in a divdend fund then CCP can pay divdends based on how the company is doing. CCP does well dividends go up CCP does bad no dividends this year, quarter, or month.
More prestige and marketing PLEX sinks naming rights this seems obvious. A stargate in Jita just sustained damage from a local solar burst. Cosmic radiation is so high this stargate will need to be rebuilt. If you like you can have honorable mention in show info tab of said stargate for 5000 Plex. Corps can post the same for 20,000 PLEX. Naming rights of a your corporation on the overview tab start the bidding 50,000 PLEX.
I think generally PLEX should not be used to purchase skill extractors but that is just my 2 cents.
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[quote=“Black_Pedro, post:305, topic:4547, full:true”]Thankfully, a subscription is an option for many, but still players are going to miss the previously affordable luxury to PLEX an alt or even their main with a little work.[/quote]I’m one of those people, sadly post-soviet salary is not enough to sub multiple accounts, and an alt or two is almost mandatory to comfortably play a MMO.
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Seriously?
“One guy multiboxing 100 carriers” - Do you even know how carrier mechanics work?
So as someone who doesn’t use a carrier to rat you’ve just stated YOU are part of the current problem with plex prices. Yet want to maintain those who use carriers to pay for game time are the issue with hoarded plex…
I think you might want to;
1; Get your story straight
2; Get informed (don’t just believe everything ccp tells you, the truth is often very different)
3; Stop being a bad and sell your stockpile (hoardings). (10 years in Eve and the only thing I’m bitter about here is the greed of a minority - Which of course they then try to push blame onto others)
NB; Sitting on a stockpile IS hoarding (my lord, how do some people manage to put their own pants on in the morning)
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10 billion isk, lol. You sold what a whole 3,500 plex.
Did you buy it for cash or on the market? How much of that 10 bil is actual profit?
Sure 10 bil sounds like a lot - Reality is, you will plex a single account for 4 months, buy a couple of cheap ships and it’s gone. Plex prices keep going the way they are, your 10 bil is worth even less.
NB; If i got to 10 billion isk I would consider myself broke (as would many others i know) - It costs me more than that to plex some of my accounts - 2 accounts I pay for 3 or 6 months at a time, with exchange rates so low I can’t afford to pay for more…
The problem is those with 10’s of thousands of plex, not the little guy like you who trades minor amounts. The hoarders are the ones setting the prices and until there is a lot more plex injected into the game, making hoarding less profitable, prices will continue to rise - CCP is letting a minority of players dictate whether others can play or not. It would seem CCP has very short sighted people in accounting, or they just don’t care about player retention… Once my accounts are no longer profitable (I can’t afford to plex them) they go Alpha and get extracted - No coming back from that, it is just money CCP will not get in the future. With player retention rates so low and dropping, CCP needs to do something to keep active players active…
How many players who are on summer vaca will login to see the price of plex has risen so much and just log out again? How many subs can CCP afford to lose before they act?
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Frostys Virpio
Your GRRR GOONS is showing. The reason we get that much bounties is that we actually use our space. If people stopped being lazy elsewhere and used their space to the level we do, they would also get around the same amount of bounties. Same for ore mined but it’s much easier to ■■■■■ and moan than actually trying to get to that level of space usage.
It isn’t just a matter of people being lazy, it’s more about numbers and when you have one group that comprises such a large percentage of the overall player base (Goons + pets) things become unbalanced - And CCP’s answer to this so far has been to nerf everyone which of course has little to no affect on the overall problem. It just leaves that large group in a better position because they still have numbers to counter any nerfs…
My only option (and that of many others) due to recent nerfs and plex price increases is to sub less accounts which of course overall skews the numbers more.
I’m looking at extracting close to 300 mil SP over the next few weeks - This will of course put a reasonable amount of isk in my wallet (short term) but will also reduce my ability to make isk substantially.
A friend has 45 accounts, 40 of which are manufacturing alts (3 on each account) - He is in the process of selling off all his blueprints and extracting all those alts - After 14 years of Eve the last 12 months has seen him lose interest.
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I never used to buy PLEX before the split. It was too expensive to buy before in one big chunk. I didnt’ want to have all my eggs in one basket (or one egg) so I just kept my ISK as liquid and it was cool!
Then they split PLEX. I can buy it 2m at a time.
Now I’ve somehow accumulated 1,569 of them since I started doing that. Just buying 1-20 at a time.
I can’t be the only one who’s started doing that for no reason other than having a space 401k
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with higher price than old PLEX, because your 1569 PLEXes (3 old PLEXes) are worth 5 bil and that is 4 old PLEXes. Deal of the century…
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I am just happy I hoarded so much before split. 
Now I stopped because its not what it used to be. More PLEX for Lulu and others. 
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You ripped a statement out of context and read your ■■■■■■■■ into it. You know exactly what I meant.
If it’s 100 guys each with 1 ship or 1 guy with 100 ships farming isk, the total ISK being generated is essentially the same. If it makes your peanut brain feel better, we can also talk about 5 ships each.
So if those 5 guys with 1 ship each or 1 guy multiboxing 5 ships now use that isk to buy plex, the market demand is essentially the same.
E.g. it ■■■■■■■ doesn’t matter if it’s 1 person behind a dozen accounts or a dozen people with 1 account each.
Substitute carriers with vexors if you want to. My point doesn’t change.
I bought all my plex years ago. The so-called problem with plex prices are the nullsec ratters that generate insane amounts of isk and most of all it’s ccp adding more and more ways plex can be spent, increasing overall demand.
Says the person that couldn’t even grasp the basics of what I wrote or understand economics 101 
Take your own advice.
Why should I? I have nothing to gain from doing so and can only lose. Something you could have figured out yourself if you would have thought about what I wrote instead of just crying rage tears over plex prices.
Oh and even if I would sell my stockpile, that wouldn’t change absolutely anything. Maybe a minor dent in the price for a little while, but if you seriously believe it would do anything to the current price inflation you’re just plain dumb.
Another wrong assumption. You really need to start grasping the basics of economics instead of crying a river of tears about how you can’t afford the luxury that is plex anymore.
Hint: The keywords here are gold (analogy, just so you get it) and inflation-proof.
It does not work like that in EVE because the ship with the higher income potential can’t be done afk so the multibox option isn’t there. At best you will be able to box Ishtars which make a shitload less ISK per ship than any capital farming. The income of 100 players farming on one account each will be much higher than 1 dude boxing 100 ships.
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Wow, I responded to EXACTLY what you posted - 1 guy multiboxong 100 carriers - There is no other way that could be taken - It also kills your other part about isk horading as 1 guy carrier ratting ain’t earning enough to hoard plex and unless he is committed to doing it for hours on end each day (I’m not) he isn’t even making enough to buy enough plex for his account.
Changing your story after the fact - Destroys the rest of your story…
Oh and replacing it with vexors or “whatever”, now you are really reaching - Into the realms of 'My story doesn’t gel, I’m desperate to prove an incorrect point"
I understand perfectly - You are blaming nulsec carrier ratters for the plex hoarding, then tell us you are hoarding plex… You obviously still remain uninformed in the reality of the subject - As Carrier Ratters (as a whole) are not the problem. Even the Super ratters are not the problem, most of them are making very good isk PH but not enough to create the inflation we are seeing with plex prices… (Oh and just to be clear, you can’t effectively multibox Supers in anoms either).
You are probably right, you wouldn’t have enough plex hoarded to make any difference to the market, so just hang on to it till ccp has the next big sale.
So I’m not the problem, carrier ratters in general aren’t the problem - So who is?
You got it half right, CCP greed for the fast cash. It has nothing to do with players, they are simply reacting to CCP’s short sightedness and lack of planning.
Oh and calling me dumb - Well, that’s just childish. You stated you are a plex hoarder, I wrongly presumed you held a reasonable amount of plex
Many, me included if you care to look it up on the old forums, said straight out - Injectors will break Eve and were nothing more than a cash grab from a company which is failing to sustain itself (too many failed side projects - funded by Eve).
Sadly we were right…
I too invested in plex many years ago, when they were creeping up from 300 mil to 400… Sold them when the price hit a bil a piece a few years back, brought a titan with the profits. Probably would have sold them sooner had I not forgotten about them (they were on an account that was 4 years unsubbed). Worked out, the profit i made was less than I made from my ship collection when I sold it after just 2 years of collecting.
Do tell me, when will be the right time to sell, right now you are looking at a nice profit. In the future, when CCP step in, that profit may remain around the same or it could go down. CCP will step in if for no other reason than to save their own game…
As I said, get informed about where the problem lies and don’t just take CCP’s word for it. Carrier ratting had become more prolific after skill injectors but has been curtailed (a lot) by the most recent nerfs - To the tune of roughly 60 mil PH). Adding more time needed to plex an account, I’m just not prepared to put into something I don’t enjoy doing. I play Eve for fun, joining fleets fighting others, etc - When making the isk to do that becomes more time consuming, it means I don’t play as much.
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Another wrong assumption. You really need to start grasping the basics of economics instead of crying a river of tears about how you can’t afford the luxury that is plex anymore.
Hint: The keywords here are gold (analogy, just so you get it) and inflation-proof.
So if it isn’t the big holders of plex setting the prices, who is? Why is my assumption wrong?
You’ve told us you don’t hold enough to make a difference to the market, are you also saying no-one else has either?
You gold analogy - Only holds true if you have enough of it to make holding it as an investment profitable - You’ve told us you don’t. Oh and gold as with plex; the prices are set by the large stock holders, not the little guy although the little guy can profit too over the long term.
But then planning that far ahead in a virtual world that is currently plagued with problems including player retention - Hmmm - Good investment - Or not?
For interests sake, what is it you plan on using your profits for when you decide to sell. You obviously pay to play so don’t use it to plex accounts. What are you bullet proofing yourself against?
Yep.
Sorry what?
PLEX can only be used to sub once, once it’s used it’s gone, so it can’t be used by more than one.
It can change hands any number of times before being redeemed for game time of course but that changing hands is irrelevant to CCP’s sales figures.
Or have I misunderstood what you meant?
Back on track so I think you just misspoke?
the number of people who use plex to sub their accounts
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Ah, now it makes more sense to me in the context of the rest of it, I misunderstood then 
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