No, because 15 people aren’t going to sit around for 90 minutes waiting for the next site to spawn. All of the groups that actually had fleets full of people doing OBFs are going to leave the region because it will no longer be viable to keep a fleet running in the region. The only people who will be able to keep running the sites will be the turbokrabs that are a single player runing an entire fleet of 15 characters.
The same is true for purely PvP fleets by the way. The main driver of PvP content in the region is OBFs so now PvP fleets are going to have 90 minutes of twiddling their thumbs while their targets are all docked. Nobody is going to want to do that when there is more consistent content elsewhere.
And yes, for ■■■■’s sake, people go to Pochven for PvP. Who the hell do you think you are to say that you know what other’s peoples thoughts and desires are more than they do? Pochven has some of the most fun PvP in the game. There is never any tidi, and fleets are always small enough that every individual can actually make a significant impact on how the fight goes. In any given OBF people, sure half of the people in the fleet are there for the money, but the other half have already made their billions and are just there for the PvP content, which will now completely dry up due to this change.
There are so many other ways the ISK faucet in the region could have been nerfed without completely kneecapping content generation in the region the way this change is doing. The fact that you’re so vehemently defending CCP’s decision on this when there are so very clearly better ways to solve the problems with Pochven makes me question your sanity.
Good, then don’t sit around, maybe play EvE, go roaming for PvP if this is what you want? Also there are three sites, you have to wait at average 30min.
When I came back to EvE a month ago, I went roaming in Pochven, and saw empty systems, or hellcamps, plus uncontested krabbing in OP fleet comps (multiple hics, dozen of dictors, Marauders and Ishtars). I witnessed only one big fight btween krab fleets, else it was fights between small gangs, not involved in the krabbing anyway. But mostly you can freely roam unless you jump in a locked down system to safeguard the krabs.
Pochven will be a better place if all those are gone which are only there for the OP ISK. ISK must be in Pochven but not in that scale. I agree that the change is lazy and disappointing, but in the right direction.
That’s a dumb logic because PB is not closed off from any interference from anyone and it does not prevent anyone from doing anything in any other region.
Neither is Pochven. Anyone can filament into Pochven at any time. Most of the standings restrictions in Pochven were lifted long ago. What the ■■■■ does “near-instanced” even mean? Whether something is instanced is a binary - it’s either instanced or it isn’t. Also people doing stuff in Pochven doesn’t stop them from doing stuff in other regions. Take a look at my killboard. See all the regions I’m active in in addition to Pochven. What you’re saying makes no sense whatsoever. The fact that you view Pochven specifically as a “drain” on other regions just shows to me you have a personal bias against Pochven.
Not to mention that the entire logic behind the argument “unlimited sites generate more content” is flawed. If the sites become rarer, the motivation to monopolize the fewer sites becomes stronger. The fewer OFPs there are, the more content they will create because that kind of scarcity creates actual strive and friction, that breads conflict. This is a whole different kind of scarcity than the resources scarcity crap.
If you had bothered to read any of the many constructive posts that have mentioned this fact, Fleets that actually have 15 humans in them aren’t going to be able to keep everyone in the fleet in the long 90 minute intervals between content. Nobody is going to want to twiddle their thumbs for 90 minutes when they could be doing more interesting things. This applies equally to PvP fleets because their targets will all be docked up while waiting for OBFs to spawn. Who wants to wait around 90 minutes waiting for their target to undock? The whole reason people are in Pochven is to avoid that kind of ■■■■■■■■.
Good, then don’t sit around, maybe play EvE, go roaming for PvP if this is what you want? Also there are three sites, you have to wait at average 30min.
Taking into account the time to get to and clear the site it will be closer to 2 hours between respawns than 90 minutes. That means one site every 40 minute. And they won’t be happening every 40 minutes on the dot either, they are very likely to end up bunched up in a way that 3 sites spawn all at once then once all three are completed there is 90 minutes with nothing.
Even at the “ideal” of one site every 40 minutes, that’s still a lot of waiting around that most people just aren’t going to be willing to do when there are more active activities to do in the game.
What is the point of roaming around the region when there is nothing to fight for? Why do people have such a hard time understanding that PvP doens’t just happen on its own, there has to be some catalyst for it, some reason for players to fight one another, whether it is over sov, structures, or pve sites, if there isn’t incentive for people to fight over something, people will go fight over something that is worth fighting over instead. What’s the point of me forming a gang to roam around pochven when all the krabs are staying docked up 90% of the time because of these long respawn timers? I don’t think most peoples’ ideas of fun is warping from gate to gate for 90 minutes waiting for a site to spawn so your targets finally undock.
Then do more interesting things in Poochven. Surely this region has more to offer than just OFPs. What about mining? Some of you entitles poochers earlier said miners would not stay to fight. Then be the miners that stay and fight. You have the best ores in the entire cluster. Surely that is motivation enough for some content.
Then provide the content with other means. There are other things to do in the region. If all of Poochven’s activity hinges on 1 site, the region is a farce and people there are a farce and it should be abolished as it adds nothing but a dangerous money faucet to the game.
Instead of wasting your time in Poochven, you should spend more time in PB and defend your home and farming grounds. Aren’t you under siege right now? Shouldn’t you be there and be active in that space and not spend time in your useless and activity draining summer farming residence?
But I forgot, you are one of those people that need content delivered to them and not one of those that look for content and create it themselves. You depend on the OFPs for your activity because you don’t want to wait 90 minutes for content. Well, maybe now you can be active in PB during those 90 minutes and be useful in actual space and not your instanced region.
See this guy:
This attitude is your problem. If you consider yourself really better than those miners, then just mine and stay when someone hunts you. Surely you can have a nice defensive fleet ready while your resource harvesters gather the materials for your ships. Surely you would not run from opposition appearing on dscan. There you have your content.
But with that attitude you are no better than the scrubs in null sec and wormhole space who also disappear when they see opposition appear on dscan or intel channels. In fact, however, you are worse because you live in an instanced region where other people can’t even surprise you with a cyno. That’s pathetic.
Are you seriously suggesting that all of the people who were previously active in Pochven just take up mining? Sure, let’s train all of our characters up on a completely different skillset and engage in an activity most of us have NO interest in whatsoever just for a CHANCE of MAYBE having some content in the region? What are you smoking that makes you think this is even a remotely reasonable ask? Nobody is going to do this, all of the people currently active in the region are going to go do other stuff in the game instead, or quit entirely for some other game that keeps them more engaged.
If all of Poochven’s activity hinges on 1 site, the region is a farce and people there are a farce and it should be abolished as it adds nothing but a dangerous money faucet to the game.
This makes no sense whatsoever. If there is a lack of diversity of worthwhile activities in the region, then other activities should be made more worthwhile alongside a nerf to the payout of OBFs (and/or an increase in difficulty). You’re basically arguing it’s better to burn everything to the ground than actually try to fix the problem.
Instead of wasting your time in Poochven, you should spend more time in PB and defend your home and farming grounds
We don’t run fleets in Pochven during stratops. Also, look at my killboard. I’m just as active in the war as I was in Pochven. Why is it so problematic to you that players should choose to spend their time in one region over another? Just smells like an incredibly irrational personal bias to me.
instanced region
NOTHING about Pochven is instanced. You’re just a shitposter who has no clue whatsoever what you’re talking about. You’re literally just talking out of your ass right now, and the ideas coming out of you are beyond absurd. Do you seriously not even take 5 seconds to think about the crap you’re going to say before you spew it?
I’m smoking your region’s killboard stats. You Poochers keep touting it as the most active PVP region in the game. If you send out a mining fleet, that will attract content like a turd attracts flies.
But if they leave Poochven and do other things that is fine as well. Then null sec and low sec becomes more active again. That’s good.
If they leave the game entirely because their instanced, instant PVE content delivery was put on a 90 minute cooldown, that’s good too. Those people were a plague to the game anyway and did not contribute anything positive.
No. OFPs are completely out of balance with their rewards. Destroying their reward potential to a more reasonable level per day is much needed balance for the region. It’s the same as with the completely stupid permission to light high tier Abyssals in high security space without any consequences. It was allowed to happen for far too long and people got far too entitled for it.
And now you have even more time to provide content in actual space in Pure Blind and other regions. That’s good. You should be happy that you are freed from your PVE shackles in Poochen and instead can do other things elsewhere again … But wait, I forget something again.
Poochven is not connected to the rest of the game by gates, it’s not reachable by cynos, you can’t get capitals in, and the only way in are wormholes or special filaments. That’s as much instanced as abyssal PVE is instanced. If you poochven apologist can’t accept that, that’s your problem and not mine.
In that case let’s also slap a 90 minute timer on combat anomaly respawns, and on mission agents, and incursion site spawns. Hell, why stop there? Let’s add a 90 minute timer on industry, so now you have to wait 90 minutes between starting jobs. Oh, and you know this Winter Nexus event coming up? Better slap a 90 minute respawn timer on those sites too, and limit the number of sites to 3 per region. 90 minutes won’t kill you, after all…
No. OFPs are completely out of balance with their rewards
Hence the suggestion of reducing their payouts and making them more challenging. Do you have a reading comprehension problem or something?
And now you have even more time to provide content in actual space in Pure Blind and other regions. That’s good. You should be happy that you are freed from your PVE shackles in Poochen and instead can do other things elsewhere again … But wait, I forget something again.
Except you’re completely ignoring the fact that the pvp in Pochven was leagues more fun than the pvp in Pure Blind. I’ve had more fun fighting other fleets in Pochven than doing literally ANYTHING ELSE in this game. God forbid anyone have FUN in this game, right?
Poochven is not connected to the rest of the game by gates, it’s not reachable by cynos, you can’t get capitals in, and the only way in are wormholes or special filaments. That’s as much instanced as abyssal PVE is instanced. If you poochven apologist can’t accept that, that’s your problem and not mine.
Do you understand what the word “instanced” means? Not a single of those things qualifies as making the region “instanced”, dude. Abyssals are instanced. Proving Grounds are instanced. Pochven is not even remotely close to being “instanced”. And funnily enough, guess what activity a lot of the krabbers in Pochven are going to start doing now that they no longer have Pochven fleets to join? This change is going to result in MORE people engaging in instanced content, not less.
Let me spell it out for you:
If a player uses an abyssal filament, then there is NO way for any other player or fleet to engage with that player until they exit the filament. On the other hand, if a person or fleet is doing something in Pochven, anyone else in the same system can see them on d-scan, probe them down (or find them at a site) and fight them. It’s not even REMOTELY CLOSE to being the same thing.
So you need artificial restrictions and pampering to have fun. You not only depend on the OFPs for ISK and your content, you also depend on the special restrictions of Poochven to have fun. You are the embodiment of why Poochven is a mistake for the game. It was high time that this mistake got a much deserved hit in the guts so that people create fun elsewhere again where it actually belongs, and where other people can interact with that fun in true EVE fashion.
So you need artificial restrictions and pampering to have fun. You not only depend on the OFPs for ISK and your content, you also depend on the special restrictions of Poochven to have fun. You are the embodiment of why Poochven is a mistake for the game. It was high time that this mistake got a much deserved hit in the guts so that people create fun elsewhere again where it actually belongs, and where other people can interact with that fun in true EVE fashion.
Lol what? Get your brain checked, dude. Seriously. You’re not making any sense whatsoever. A person happens to find a specific type of content fun therefore they MUST BE EVERYTHING THAT IS WRONG WITH THE GAME. Jesus christ man, take a chill pill.
That’s your quote, bro. Someone is having fun, therefore you think they are the literal embodiment of everything that is wrong with the game. God forbid ANYONE in this game have any FUN, right?
I’m also going to call you out here for taking the statement “Pochven is the most fun pvp in the game for me” and somehow twisting it into “I can ONLY have fun in Pochven”. Those two statements are not remotely close to being equivalent. Nobody is saying that the restrictions in Pochven are NECESSARY to have fun in this game, but for many people they do create an environment that makes it a lot more fun to fight in than other regions. And in what way is this a bad thing? How does it justify such an inflammatory statement as “You are the embodiment of why Poochven is a mistake for the game”?
