If you fully enforce this policy, you will have to ban half your playerbase.
So instead of “I will come at night to your house and slit your throat when you are sleeping” people will have to write “I hope you will cut youself wth a kitchen knife and bleed out while your cat is watching indifferently”?
That is not nice either way.
I hope people will not take this game so seriously.
NorBdelta Aivoras Your question is a good one.
“Online stalking”, hopefully does not include actual in-game stalking, hunting and killing? It’s kind of a big part of the gameplay of Eve.
a stupid question only a caldari could ask. i bet ya’rr high on blue pill, aren’t ya? drug abuse rots ya brain mate, but i guess for a tuber that ain’t a ■■■■■■■ matter anyway. you freaks digust me. how’s it feelin’ like having a pipette as mother?
This has already been a thing for some time now. RP does not excuse actual harassment and so on, but there’s obviously more leeway there. If memory serves, CCP has considered it more of an ‘opt-in’ kind of thing, where it’s okay if everyone involved have opted in to interacting with each other In Character, within reason. Of course, it’s such a grey area that it’s kind of hard to get any definite rulings on it.
Just being somewhat sensible and not crossing any lines tends to do the trick in these regards.
CCP is free to restrict speech in their game, that’s fine.
However, given that there is, to this day, no clear definition of hate speech and given the fact that the definition for “Racism” and “Sexism” is expanding on a daily (hourly?) base, how is CCP’s stance on it?
What is the source definition CCP is using to act upon?
With an evergrowing misuse of all the above terms, we need to have a clear definition for them. Maybe CSM can shed some light on this too?
Sometimes though people use this to there advantage, therefore I don’t think under the current terms it outlines the precise and exact terms of entrapment, for example entrapment is illegal in some countries and is not so in others, is the actual policies in terms of harassment respective of role play going to create an outlier sort of sub culture of role play entrapment harassment where the new type of harassment is to make the other person think they are harassing you in an ok sense only for it to be a trap then you get the speech police knock on your door and arrest you and beat you (depending what country you are in again, they have different ways of doing stuff) please note I am not trolling, trying to make a serious point here…
Eh, this is Eve Online. Both the roleplay community and the devs/GMs are well versed in just how abusive people get when it comes to using the system against other people. It’s not going to become a problem, I can assure you.
Especially when it’s even more easily avoided by simply not being a sexist, racist, harassing arsehole In Character or Out of Character.
… I mean, arsehole is almost a given but those specific kinds anyway.
I’d like to have one clarification though. With “verbal abuse” do you mean cases which clearly cross the border of what would be seen as “normal angry” in a tense situation or can a simple “f*ck you” get someone banned? Because the former seems already implied in the other points (hate speech, threats, abusive messaging) and the latter, while it should not be normalized, seems to be even necessary for many people to cope with being dunked and in many situations wouldn’t pass (for me) as harassment.
One suggestion also: maybe this clarification could be a one-time popup in the Launcher, so that most people will read it. For some it seems completely normal to spit out real life threats and harassment and in order to give them the chance to change that now (and to spare you guys some work banning accounts), it may be good to push it right into their faces. Since in the past these rules were enforced in different ways, it would be good to make it uber visible that it’s zero tolerance now.
Agree, but as a non-American in defense of the US: it is not “say whatever you want”. The constitution clarifies that freedom of expression does not include the freedom to verbally breach the peace, insult with the goal to harm or provoke/entice/suggest crimes. And the whole idea of freedom of speech was meant to support that the government is a proper elected/delegated body of the people and doesn’t start shutting down political critic of others in order to stay in power.
But they are are not leading by example. take for instance Sniggwaffle. A corporation that is using nazi related imagery.
And this is speech regulation, not that I am objecting to CCP’s right to do it within their game. I am saying that when you take a hard line approach several things happen. Innocent players get caught up. Players find new ways to get around it and then a new harder policy has to come out.
When has CCP ever enforced their own rules with any consistency?
Not even worth reading the blog until they write one where CCP staff are tasked with setting a good example instead of their current, “I’ll enforce the rule because you pissed me off in the forum but my friends and corpies get a pass because we think harassment is funny when it’s us doing the harassing” way of dealing with things.
The fish rots from the head down, CCP. Fix your behavior first and then we simple subscribers might take you seriously.
Ethics is to complicated and ambiguous along with the law therein. Just use common sense and you will be fine. If you want to double make sure, send an Eve Mail the next time you get ganked / killed or whatever with a message of love, peace and a hug and a kiss.
Being banned is not the issue. Regulate all you want within you game. I am saying a hardline approach will not fix the issue. You will never fix the issue. It will just increase the number of innocent people caught up by a poor policy. Players will find away around this. Then people will complain about the new meta of harassment. then a new policy will come out making that a nono and the cycle will begin again.
Common sense is of no particular use in a world where facts are often considered offensive.
This was my main argument, and its why I play Eve online, people find ways around stuff, the players are challenging to beat on intellect and skill, however you gotta just use your common sense here, don’t be a prick and you will be fine.
This is the exact entrapment I was talking about as per my above comment, the policy does not cover this abuse else I would be reporting you right now.
Being a prick can not be objectively measured. People who get ganked think that the gankers are pricks and they are being harassed.
Yes it can, it can be sectioned into areas of harm, sexual harassment, sexism and racism this is what not being a prick and having common sense means.