Poll: How many people changed their perspective/position thanks to your arguments?

Some of those women look pretty good! Just about as relevant as my post I guess.

I was riffing off the old line from Conan; “What is best in life?”

Depends on defining exactly what is meant by “intelligence” and “common sense”. Good luck with that.

Your question can’t be answered directly.

Most people nowadays lack common sense …
… so they wouldn’t know.

Example: Common sense would dictate to leave a game which fundamentally isn’t something you enjoy …
… but ego dictates to complain and scream about it instead, until it changes.

Note that it’s not common sense to complain and scream, because there’s no rational thought behind it. They don’t go “complaining is the smartest way forward, so i’ll do that.” They go “AAAAAAHHHHH GRRRRRRR WAH WAH WAH WAH”, aka a lack of emotional maturity causing automatic behaviour expressed as anger etc.

Common sense requires rational, structured thought, but can still be misleading anyway due to false information. You can’t really trust your common sense unless you can be sure enough the information which it’s based on is actually properly covering the topic you’re applying common sense to and goes low level enough to be easily processable. That means you have to know the fundamentals of the things you’re thinking about.

Example: It’s common sense that people believe sugar is bad for your teeth … but it’s not. Sugar all by itself doesn’t do anything to your teeth, actually, but bacteria turn it into a byproduct which harms your teeth. Semantics? No. Accuracy!

Another example:
Common sense dictates to use tooth paste, but in reality all you really need is hot saltwater you keep dipping your brush into. It also helps tremendously against gungivitis (not the toothbrushing with it, but washing your mouth with highly concentrated saltwater five times a day) and the list of people who’s lives changed because of this one silly tip is only getting longer.

The reason why teeth in general got better thanks to tooth paste wasn’t the tooth paste, but the advertising campaigns which caused people to buy tooth paste and actually brush their teeth more. Dental hygiene got pushed deep into the peoples’ minds, just like the idea that diamonds are an important part of wedding and not spending huge amounts of money on compressed carbon means you don’t actually love your wife.

And then there’s this whole “breakfast is the most important part of the day” ■■■■■■■■. What many call common sense (based on incorrect information they’ve been provided with) is actually nonsense, in this case again based on an advertising campaign.

A good common sense requires an intellect which is capable of forming it in the first place. Without these intellectual capabilities you’ll not be able to question and analyse the information you’re creating a common sense with … if that’s what it’s called. Is there a term for that?

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Ha, I guess you really did. :smiley:

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You’re asking the wrong questions, Sol.

What you really should be asking is whether people are ready for a new Destiny thread.

I’m sure the 6 (+1) posters left on these forums will get excited over the prospects.

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Dang, I thought there were at least ten people left.

Well, there were several things that helped to turn me around, but the first was when several people said that they were quitting in the comments of an outrage video that I had made. I was angry over changes, and fearful for Eve’s future, but I still loved the game, and I certainly wasn’t trying to sabotage it. Anyway, this experience made me feel like an ass, and made me receptive to counter arguments and different beliefs and attitudes.

Like I said, there were a lot of things that helped nudge me away from being a bittervet, but one notable thing that I would like to mention was hearing other players talk about new strats that they were using in response to changes. And I’d think, “well that’s smart… and there’s no reason why I couldn’t have thought of that myself. But I didn’t, because I was too busy being angry to even think about how I might take advantage of the change.”

I still think CCP makes mistakes (and will call them out on them), but it’s kind of amazing how much an attitude change has helped me to grow as a player and to have more fun playing the game.

Anyway, I haven’t officially stopped making videos. I’ve been busier this year, have actually been playing Eve more (instead of just talking about it), and I have a tendency to start videos, get distracted, and never finish them. Usually, it’s just a video here or there, but I’ve had that happen with like 6 videos in a row. In fact, it happened again with my latest video (thanks to cyberpunk), but I’m intent on seeing that one through. So hopefully I can get it posted before too long.

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The perspective we gain from trying to see things from someone else’s point of view has been at the forefront of my Eve experience.

Despite this incessiant idea that Eve is just about mindless pvp…in my time it wasn’t. Eve taught me the art of compromise. That there was more to each individual than a carebear or pvp title.

I do agree to disagree with you on one area though. The caretakers of this social experience, CCP, those charged with protecting the rings and confines of the sandbox, are failing miserably and their fallibility needs to be called out.

As a footnote I tend to think that the idea of deep social virtual environments are at odds with the desire for capital gains. The future of social online interaction will be an opensource experience where the experience is more important than the bottom line.

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Sorry but you’re incorrect. Perhaps honestly so, perhaps merely fishing for an argument.

At any rate, there’s plenty of research that says people are quite capable of making mostly rational decisions and judgements whenever the context does not involve emotional triggers for that person. There is a ton of research on this, from marketing and financial to academic and philosophical. You can try Faculty & Research | Columbia Business School if you don’t mind a bit of dense reading.

Given the standard of posting in these forums however, one might certainly come to that conclusion. You don’t have to look too far above your own post to see a post full of egocentric, self-worth based posing. “Most people are idiots, they’re all sheep, they believe whatever they’re told” etc. etc.

You can generally tell the difference between emotion-based posts/viewpoints because they’re firmly rooted in those sort of mental ranking beliefs (“I’m smart, you’re dumb, I’m strong, you’re weak, my playstyle is better than your playstyle” etc.). Such posts will also seek out the fastest and easiest confirmatory evidence they can to support their emotional view, such as “this misbelief is the result of an advertising campaign” while ignoring the fact that the same belief has been around for literally centuries (and is well supported by science). https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-origin-of-the-saying-Eat-breakfast-like-a-king-lunch-like-a-prince-and-supper-like-a-pauper

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1878450X17300045

At any rate, if a post argues a point logically and mostly dispassionately, then it’s likely a rational-based post even if it contains a few elements of emotion or judgement. If the post looks like mostly an excuse to say “my preferred way of looking at things is better than your way”, then it’s emotionally driven.

This post:

This post changed my mind on miners so much! Still when i fly thru Halaima i praise James 315! So many memories! The New Order showed me how wrong i was about Capsuleers who mine asteroids without a permit.

Depends. If the viewpoint may be about feasibility of production of spider silk proteins by yeast, then I have mine, entirely rational, and developed recently.

I watched experiments, and they were explained rationally.

I dont think emotion played any part. Not more than when you listen someone talk about genes for half a hour.

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If you hear first time about something it may be the first thing you adapt as viewpoint, but then it doesnt have to be enough important to develop enough value physically inside the brain, so the value can be easily changed when its logical. It have some kind of very physical basis. Dont know much about it, but its how neurons work. They develop conections and stuff…

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The decisions develop based on many factors. One of it is indeed personal charm. So called charisma. I would also add authority, the voice, look, etc. Language someone is using too. There is a lot of it. Some things emerge from parts of brain primitive in relation to the fairly recently developed parts.

Certain chemicals produced in body also have a lot of influence to how person develops opinions.

It is a deep, deep rabbit hole.

More someone is aware how it all works, one can actually pay more attention to the rational part instead of being steered in some direction by other things.

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You know we just come here to argue about stuff. Sheesh, OP.

But on a more serious, IDK if I’ve changed anyone’s mind. But, I have read through threads of other people arguing various topics and learned a lot about both sides of the topic, which has informed my decision making in the past.

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I guess that means you won’t be heeding my advice then.

More advice. How about stop giving multiple likes on the same post with multiple alts. It’s just weird.

Mr Epeen :sunglasses:

You just keep begging. :slight_smile:

Which ones would that be? :smiley:

I’m sure you scrubbed them right before you posted this.

You missed one:

sol

Mr Epeen :sunglasses:

:thinking: When I give out likes, it’s because they posted something I like…

Anyway, I thought this thread was done after I posted my main claim to fame… :smirk:

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