Potential Fix for WHers for the 500mn HIC

As part of our efforts to fix this issue, I’ve had a couple of wormholers propose to me that a potential solution would be to reduce the mass of the Porpoise by half.

The Porpoise has enough fitting space to allow for the use of battleship sized propmods, and it’s small enough to fit in frigate sized holes. Reducing it would provide 1 mill mass going in, 51m coming back, or 2m going in and 102 coming back with higgs. Basically reducing the mass would allow it to fit a higgs rig while still fitting in a frigate sized hole.

This should address the concern, but I want to hear from you all about whether you think this will solve the problem.

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How about just disallow 500MN on hics so we don’t have to retrain rolling alts? What’s so hard about this?

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It would be a compromise to say the least but its no where near as effective as the current rolling Hics are.

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actually looking at the numbers its p much as effective as rolling hics used to be, and its a really easy and safe fix that wouldnt need testing on weird new modules or disabling oversized propmods on hics

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I think the problem starts with the idea that HICs are used to roll Frigate sized WHs. I don’t know anyone who does this beyond their first attempt and the cancer they got from it and swearing never to attempt this again. The Porpoise has otrher issues, on top of the basic retrain for all the HIC rolers out tehre. But the mass lost would require so many mroe passes the risk feels eben more, Also with the Polarization timers needing extra passes is much harder/longer experience

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Yes and no. The problem is the viabilty of WHs as they can have +/-10% of their stated mass. A rolling hic pretty much guarantees to crush a hole when its goes critical mass with 1 pass vs the up to 3 the proposed porpoise would take.

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It’s a compromise at best, when attempting to roll a 3b mass hole when crit if you fail to roll it twice in a hic the chance of getting rolled out is significantly higher when rolling with a ~5m mass porpoise compared to a ~750k mass hictor.

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The Porpoise is a mining support ship. The Hictors are combat ships. What exactly does switching to Porpoise solve?

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If you look at the numbers theres a very small difference between a potentially higgsd porpoise and the current hic (both with a battleships sized propmod)

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Same as rolling yachts. No combat effectiveness, just mass on the hole. If you’re not in a combat situation it doesn’t really matter what ship hull used, no?

HIC change is still a bad choice, why take a sledge hammer to the whole bonus rather then affect the agility (or whatever other features) that allows for the retention of the mass reduction.

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The issue isn’t about frigate-sized holes, it’s about not having to roll the dice on whether or not I get to play eve today in my wormhole or if I get to spend my time after work waiting for someone to scan me back in.

How about let them go through with the HIC change, and then add a script you can load into the warp field generators that reduce the mass like they did previously, with a velocity penalty and no bonus to prop speed.

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Sure - give me the SP for mining forman 5 for my perfect pvp toon to be able to live in the WH

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Why would CCP create more work for themselves by adjusting the stats of another, seemingly unrelated ship when they can just disallow 500MN MWD on a HIC and achieve the same result?

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Changing the mass on a ship can be done easily, adding a brand new fitting restriction for a specific size of module or completely re-balancing the fitting stats of the 4 HICs is way more time consuming.

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You do not need extra skills for the Yacht, though.

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No it wouldnt, like stated before the mass of a potentially higgsd porpoise would be almost the same (16% ish difference) as the current HICs used for rolling frigate sized wormholes. yes it might take some extra time, but its a decent compromise compared to some wonky mass mod ccp talked about before that could take ages to get implemented and could have even worse stats

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This right here. Role bonus script to the bubbles…

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For frigate holes yes. What about critted large or Vl holes?

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yes the porpoise would take different skills to train, but its still a lot easier to train into compared to HICs

With nothing transferrable about it, unless you plan on flying a boosting ship. I doubt anyone flies HICs just to roll holes.

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