If I wanted to participate in a popularity contest, I’d head back to high school and vote for prom queen.
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You shouldn’t have to; this should have been considered long before. CCP has had 12 months to think about this from the time Lurch HICs were discovered, its not like this was a lightning fix.
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not like they had a load of wormholers at fanfest that they could have focus grouped together or anything 
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exaclty, so modify the mass on the 100mn mwd or the bubbles so that when used in combination, they do not give you the undesired effect.
I suggest just add a role penalty to the HIC: Due to unstable frequencies when using microwarp drive technologies and bubble interdiction, HICS are unable to use both technologies simultaneously.
I assume this is not simple enough or appeasing? the removal of use of bubbles and 100mn mwd on the current HICs you have now?
Regardless, I’m trying to find a solution that works that can be implemented relatively quickly. I don’t want them to yank this because of the push back and let this broken mechanic continue to fester.
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It’s my understanding that they don’t want to impact the navigation abilities of the HIC because that causes other problems for it’s primary use.
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For some of us though, this is it’s primary use.
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what other primary use is there for bubbles and the oversized prop mod. seems to me that is the only problem in fact you are trying to fix… but in doing so you are creating many other problems… just restrict the use of 100mn mwd AND the bubbles and you wont have an interceptor on steroids.
Current stats on the bubbles mean that using even an oversized prop mod on a HIC while bubbles are already cycling renders the speed boost practically null and void anyway. Would having the bubbles cap the HICs speed work in a short timeframe, or is that too large of a change?
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But that’s not the designed primary use - it was never envisioned as a WH rolling ship. Hell, rolling WHs the way folks do it also wasn’t intended, but it’s evolved. The HIC is supposed to be just that - a heavier sabre/flycatcher that is more powerful and can point capitals. It wasn’t intended for this use, it’s simply been adapted because this bug made it better than the other options.
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Appreciate you atleast trying to find a solution here.
So far the scripted bubble or penalties for 500mn use would seem to be the best method to retain the function … IMO.
Not sure how quickly it could be developed/implemented, but I think CCP should hold off on the changes until they have a method to deal with both use cases.
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well i guess this right here is the debate?
what use is there for the 100mn mwd and bubbler setup and is that even desired in Eve?
maybe making a dedicated variation of the hic would be ideal that would allow this?
so the debate is, is the 100mn mwd undesired in Eve or not… cause it seems like ccp wants this but just not on the hic… and that is why we need to change the roller ship?
I prefer to think of it more as a feature… 
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so then. to me, sounds like you all should redo the changes back to the way it was. leave the hic alone and remove the ability for the HIC to be the rolling ship.
take the time to then, design or adapt a ship you do desire to use as a roller and go that route. ?
I agree with brisc, porpoises after this change wouldnt be as good as current hics but it would be a really easy change that wouldnt negatively impact rolling in wh space as much. its a solid alternative that could be really quick to implement vs the potentially months of waiting for new funky mods/ships for rolling. changing the stats on a yacht would be too strong I think cause of the covops cloack.
This is a quick and dirty change that could fix 95% of the problem tomorrow, vs months of using porpoises anyways cause its the only alternative atm
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to your 2nd suggestion… isn’t that what this change does?
They’ll just say “we never intended you to live in wormholes anyways.”
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Vote for me and I’ll fix this dumb broken game
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Hi there, how about you actually listen, dont let CCP release a half ass baked patch and read the information given to you in this thread, the reason the HICs are used to roll WHs is because the bubbles reduce enough to remove the chance that you get rolled out, using multiple bubbles are multiplicatively stacked and the result means that something can go into a wh with 1/1000th of the mass when its going back thus reducing the chance of getting rolled out next to zero, the porpoise does not do this, it doesn’t solve the issue. Instead now every time we see a crit wormhole we have to take a 30% chance the character is getting rolled out and take 25 jumps because CCP went “oops let fix something by completely messing with another group”. This is near the worst change I have seen in a long time and what you are suggesting doesnt even adress the issue.
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Im not a fan of hasty changes without fully thinking things thru, so Im not gonna be much help past here likely, Id suggest actually going the slow or longer route idea,… which ever ship you choose, ■■■■■■■ plan it out and in the meantime make a fix but provide a dedicated rolling ship, or mix the roles in with another… dont just slap a new sticker on it and paint over the rust and try to sell it as a new car… nobody likes the feeling when you get home thinking you got exactly what you wanted or sought out only to find its just paint holding the thing together…
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I’ve used a porpoise for this purpose… Haha it has a porpoise. Anyways They can be used and the mass reduction would work to an effect. My main concern is those frig holes and mass regen.
As it stands with a hic it takes a group upto 20 mins to roll one of those off.
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