Protection for newbies required

[Balos_Tritapo]

@Annah_Tsero

Globgogabgalab, get out with your schwibble wibble dabble dab

If this is your solution and your answer to the problems of this game we don’t have to wonder that people leave…

[Ima_Wreckyou]

@Balos_Tritapo

@Ima_Wreckyou

The population is actually stable. Why do you have to lie about stuff like that? How about you just build your argument on the truth, that you can’t handle the game and require more safety?

The truth is don’t ever trust statistics that you haven’t falsified yourself…

That’s the bottom line of all…

You are more the “don’t trust statistics that don’t align with your agenda and only argue out of your ass” type though.

[Galaxy_Pig]

@Lugburz

Ohhhh… I get it!

This poster believes that anecdotes are actually relevant data.

We can all now safely ignore his opinions forever.

Ironic how that works…

Okay, but what was my anecdote?

You know that doesn’t really work unless I offered an anecdote, right?

Do you know what an anecdote is? (be honest)

[Gerard_Amatin]

@Lugburz

And so on, its like a part of a report but lacks specifics for me to look at so i can really only go on the past though recent recruits for my my recent corp suggests many just leave because they cant make enough isk to plex tbvh.

I too would leave a game that forced me to play so I can play. Of all the goals you could have as new player, trying to grind for plex from the start is possibly the worst goal.

Tell them to play and enjoy the game instead.

[Annah_Tsero]

But who would get to buy his plex?

[Predvodnica_LSG]

@Annah_Tsero

But who would get to buy his plex?

Plex has lost its meaning now only serves for speculation in the market.

[Annah_Tsero]

This has nothing to do with what I asked (nor its context)…

[Jonah_Gravenstein]

Is this an appropriate venue to advertise the bridge I have for sale?

A desirable brick built structure with arched ceiling, set in a beautiful location with riverbank views, there is a business opportunity to gather tolls and a complimentary goat farm included.

[Eve_Griefer]

@Jonah_Gravenstein

Is this an appropriate venue to advertise the bridge I have for sale?

A desirable brick built structure with arched ceiling, set in a beautiful location with riverbank views, there is a business opportunity to gather tolls and a complimentary goat farm included.

Does it include resident trolls too?

[Jonah_Gravenstein]

Nah, currently vacant; I’ve been told the climate is conducive to the cooling of silicon based brains, so any troll that takes residence doubles their IQ.

[Jenn_aSide]

That’s BS Ima. It’s BS because it doesn’t fit the narrative that new players are instantly ganked out of the game as soon as they spawn.

Think of the mother ■■■■■■■ children!!!

:)

[Lurem_Sebra]

there is already protection for newbies, it’s called Comon Sense

[Markus_Reinhart]

@Lurem_Sebra

there is already protection for newbies, it’s called Comon Sense

Most people never injected and trained that skill book.

[Predvodnica_LSG]

@Blade_Anninen

Do you know what’s the semantic meaning of the word “game”? If it’s just frustration and suffering, that’s NOT a game. Just a punishment.

This game is a honey jar for psychopath players and there is nothing real to protect new players. Is a 30 days forbidden PVP for new players really so hard to implement? They cannot attack other players or be attacked in any way by them. Also they cannot leave High Sec or buy stuff located outside High Sec systems [and there are extreme discounts for newbies stuff outside High Sec borders…!!].
Give them the option to disable that policy option if they want, but assure them the possibility to maintain it IF THEY NEED!
This game is a mess of features, functions, interfaces and items [different items even with the same icon after 2 decades!?! …just to help psycho-scammers a little more].
It’s not complex for me, it’s just messy designed and organized and even more badly documented [and what exists is mostly work of generous players/souls].

I could end saying that this game has a great potential, but honestly even if this was true, I won’t bet a penny on the possibility of a deep re-design and re-styling after 2 decades…
But I think and hope deeply that maybe the players community, at least the healthy one, could do something to recovery what this game should have been since the beginning.

Lets say once more:

This is game for fun not for griefing
Everybody must enjoy the game not just few, that must be ccps goal and primary task
Features illogicality and contradiction must be cleared ot once for all
Game HAVE potential, just CCP must realize it in full
To prosper CCP must encourage healthy non toxic behaviour and community
CCP must enforce clear and fair rules ingame

[Ima_Wreckyou]

• Newbros are not children we need to care for endlessly they are gamers locking for a spaceship game that maybe involves shooting spaceships.
• It is very very rare that Newbros are complaining about those mechanics it is almost always older player claiming to speak for the Newbros.
• Every measure to make Newbros more secure will remove them from the spaceship action that may actually hook them to the game and will be abused 10x more by older players to make their doings more secure.
• There is simply no evidence that Newbros are singled out or under onslaught from older players. All metrics from the past, metrics from killboards, even the newest CSM minutes state that Newbros are not the main target.
• There is no evidence that removing New players even further away from the conflict will result in them sticking with the game. All the statistics CCP presented point into the direction that ship loss to another player is the most important part for a New player to stick around.
• The promise that there are millions of potential players just waiting outside ready to join EVE if only we nerf mechanic X is a lie and an obvious attempt by the author of such claims to change a mechanic in his favor and nothing else.

If you are concerned that Highsec is such a mean place then look at the data that comes directly from zkillboard: Where are new characters getting killed?

Even within their first 90 days, the BIG MAJORITY of kills happen in low, null and wh space and not in highsec.

[Predvodnica_LSG]

You have right to be self-decepted you paying money for Eve and you can demand whatever you want just like me.
CCP is owned by PA and reporting to PA and MUST follow PAs directions and orders.
That is big difference now.

[Ima_Wreckyou]

Yeah, and they make a PvP sandbox MMO as well, so I’m not even sure where the source of your hope comes from there.

[Predvodnica_LSG]

[Black_Pedro]

@Ima_Wreckyou

If you are concerned that Highsec is such a mean place then look at the data that comes directly from zkillboard: Where are new characters getting killed?

Even within their first 90 days, the BIG MAJORITY of kills happen in low, null and wh space and not in highsec.

@EveDataRules added a pretty sweet interface to see where new, and even all players are getting killed:

https://www.evedata.org/killmailStatistics

It shows what one might expect: less new players are getting ganked or killed in wars than ever before.

I’m all for making making wars more “fun” and accessible, and crime too, but this idea more new player protection is needed is not only addressing a problem that the statistics say doesn’t exist, but also is counter-productive to all the other retention data CCP has shared that says these interactions keep players, not push them away.

If anything is lacking, it is the difficulty of new players to form and grow new groups in the face of the war mechanic. I hope these upcoming changes to the war mechanic open up the social space for newer and casual players.

[Mevatla_Vekraspek]

Newbros need education and direction, not protection. They leave out of boredom because they have no plan or direction. They feel losses are painful and meaningless and they go. It’s only once they have a project that things start to make sense, without it’s only boredom and pain.