This would be a feature scaling with the amount of toons one has.
I have very often issues with items or PI and stuff, which of my toons has what items. So we have shared locations, we have Corp based shared container, but what about “personal” shared container with an accesslist so one can add all the toons for access.
This could be either an item, like all the other containers OR it could be like a corp office to rent; like storage rooms irl. So you pay x isk per month to the station owner per shared container. They could be limited to a max, e.g. of 3 with a sizable amound. Maybe there could be an option for containers with 50k m3 up to 2-3 mil m3 to rent or to build (again like the regular container)? Or just add a feature for the existing containers to be shared.
This has been suggested many times. As far as I know the counterargument always was that CCP wants to have benefits attached to joining or creating a corporation, like shared hangars, wallet etc..
Having ACL-managed shared containers, hangars etc. in the game would further lead to people playing all by themselves with “toons” as you call them. It is another little piece in a puzzle leading to even more de-socialization of the game. I personally agree with that. We need less alt-char gameplay and more true cooperation and socialization, but thats just me.
Your solution for right now is creating your “own” altcorp and rent an office at the location where you need those hangars. Or anchor an own structure. Those are the “entry barriers” for the convenience you want. And if you want that in Jita, well, it will be quite costly.
so I live in Null, within a corp, within an alliance. thats not an option for me. In this case it would “force” me to leave my current corp (de-socialization)..
Nah, we have the same “problem” in our Alliance and we have one Corp-Hangar where every member can assemble a password-protected Station Warehouse Container to store stuff for all his Alts. Works fine.
Buy an Orca with a Fleet Hangar. Have both ships undock and trade items with ease. It’s that simple to do already. I use this method in NPC stations all the time. It saves on Office rent of the structure.
I can effortlessly trade items and ships too thanks to the maintenance bay. It’s no hassle. No corp needed. Just form fleet and trade.
Having player options in the game that allows one player to do many things in no way hurts those who want to be social. For example- I can trade in this way without it affecting someone else (you for example) because you and I had not met even before I owned an Orca. Player interaction doesn’t need to be forced into every single action in this game. And besides- trading items would never hurt socialization. If I could trade with an alt, I could trade with another player just as easily. Not being able to trade also doesn’t hurt player interaction because those that want to interact will do so with or without trading.
I’m in favor of this idea. It would save me the 20 seconds of docking and undocking.
I am sure that is a very nice solution for having somehundedthousand or even millions of m³ in assets that you want to share among your chars. Not.
Not even counted in paying 2B for an Orca just to shift around stuff… Create a contract for 10.000 ISK and thats it, please do the math how many times you can do that before you have paid for ONE Orca. Or do a direct-trade if both chars can log in at the same time anyway…
This still requires you to log into both characters, and to have skilled into an orca (or something else with a fleet hangar). Not a huge hurdle to clear, granted, but the suggestion is to make something less tedious than contracting containers over to your alts, and your suggestion is even more work than that.
I like the idea of adding a new station container with an access list. Assemble the container on one character, add your alts to the access list, and they can now access the container in that station as if it were their own.
Thats exactly the point: What would people use it for? Getting Corp- or Alliance Hangars basically “for free”. In the Trade Hubs and even on Stations where the owner might prevent renting offices.
Not sure that is a good idea, because it makes Corp-Office pricing by demand and right management of the station owner meaningless.
If there was a shared station container, I wouldn’t use my Orca for item trading. But since there isn’t, I will. And contracts are a pain in the ass. I don’t like the user interface. It’s so much easier to use my Orca for moving around items and ships. It’s as simple as forming a fleet and dragging items into and out of the bays. And with the corp flag, I don’t even have to form a fleet for the alt to have access.
Lets you conveniently share things between alts without putting them in a corp.
Corps are an incentive to do things with other players, so making players choose between joining a player corp (even if it’s just one of the social club ones) or conveniently sharing things with their alts, a lot will choose to make alts more convenient, because EVE is a game all about multiboxing. I think adding a shared station container like this would be a good thing, incentivising carebears to join actual corps, which might get them to actually play the game with others.
I respectfully disagree that right-clicking my alt and drag-dropping 2 million m³ of Ore and 8 ships into the trade window is more complex than forming a fleet with both chars and then undocking and docking for 27 times to get the same stuff done.
I absolutely know what it does. I just think that
a) the downsides are weighting heavier than the benefits
and
b) EVE shouldn’t be a “game all about multiboxing”. It’s okay that it works, but it shouldn’t be developed in a way to even more push for that. It has made the game more dull, more meaningless and less appealing of the last decade already. As everyone can see in the number of real persons playing it. Which is a straight downwards spiral, just being kept up to a degree by the ever-increasing amount of alts. It’s a way into the wrong direction and I don’t want it to be gone any further.
It’s already compressed, not everyone is dealing with the peanuts highsec players are used to. Especially not when having a whole fleet of support alts. -_-
I couldn’t agree more, but like it or not, if you want to play EVE right now, you will eventually have to multibox. Yeah you can call in corp mates to scout a route for you, or to sit in a mining fleet with you, or to sit at a gate waiting to press F1, or any number of other activities, but that’s just not happening without deeper changes to the game, which are unlikely to happen.
So let’s just make the best of a bad situation?
It’s not really worth arguing with him, he’s very proud of his playstyle and how it earns him 10m an hour or something like that, and how much work it is to have to come back to the computer every fifteen minutes to compress ore on his hulk alt.
Why would anyone hold onto 2 million m3 of compressed ore? There’s not a ship in this game that could move that to sell. And since an Orca is too costly for you to consider, you’re going to move it in what? 300 hauler trips? Good luck!
And if you’re going to make up arbitrary numbers just because you don’t like an idea, go ahead. It doesn’t bother me. 2 million cubic meters of compressed ore doesn’t pile up into one man’s station overnight. That’s 200,000,000 cubic meters of standard ore uncompressed. Getting all of that into one man’s inventory would be an amazing feet. Frankly, I can’t imagine having nothing to do for the time it would take to mine all of that.
And if it’s compressed already then obviously you have a command ship on hand.
Sure, thats the reason for my point a) - I think the benefits aren’t worth the disadvantages.
Since direct-trades work equally fast for any setup where you can log in all the chars at the same time anway and contracts or pw-protected Warehouse containers in a shared Corp-Hangar (just ask Corp leadership to set one up, its pretty easy) already covers like 95% of those benefits - without the disadvantages attached.
But, we don’t have to agree a 100% on everything, it’s fine to have different preferenes. I wouldn’t cry a tear if CCP would implement it, I personally just wouldn’t. Maybe a compromise would be to limit the access list to a maximum of X entries and only “chars” could be added, no Corporations or Alliances. Still would somehow devalue the Station Owners Right-Management Setups and the NPC-Office pricing… but well, also not game breaking.
Limits could be put on it- or… you could use your method as a built in limit. People can use the contract for 123.435,545,483.00 m3 of compressed ore and use a shared container for a more realistic number.
So you’re resorting with petty insults now? all because I pointed out an in-game method that works for the purpose of this proposed idea you didn’t like? Are you really that much of a child? Did I steal your asteroid in the past and earn your unending ire?
Grow up, young one. My method works for small numbers and you’re upset about that. That’s a YOU problem. I’ll keep doing what I do.
It doesn’t take a psychologist to understand why people multibox in this game. Just read the forums.
It’s not an insult. It is an observation. No one with a sane mind would use an Orca and fleet up with his alts and undock to “share items” in front of the station. Thats just utter nonsense.
It may work for you because you aren’t used to really do big industry business, thats no shame. It just doesn’t solve the “problem” the guy opening the topic wants to adres… not the slightest. Even a private PI farm with a low double-digit amount of planets generate way more materials than you would want to “share” in an Orca… thats what people want or use shared hangars or large shared containers for…