What about me?
Well, yâknow, no kills in 6 years. Kinda less âwolfâ and more âloud yappy shitzu in the back yardâ, ainât it?
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Oh, this nonsense again.
Hey, Iâm sorry if you donât like the public image you present. Kinda what happens if youâre gonna talk big and then I guess claim youâre on an alt because⌠I dunno, your main is so awesome the whole forum would be blinded by it, or something?
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Well, first of all, I was away for a couple of years due to RL stuff, and came back early this year.
Second, I have almost a dozen accounts. This is my main, and the character Iâve always used on the forums, so why would I change that? Iâm doing the bulk of my playing on other characters right now. Should I only be posting on the one that was the last to get a kill, or what? I donât really get the logic behind this gripe. Would starting a few wars and killing a few dumb carebears suddenly give me an air of legitimacy I donât (according to some) otherwise have? 
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It wouldnât hurt.
But, yâknow, claims of wolfery ring pretty hollow with no actual savaged livestock in sight. Especially when youâre making authoritative claims like saying new players âvery rarelyâ buy PLEX, and pushing the viewpoint that new players arenât willing to push into a citadel despite still flying barges. Presenting yourself as someone who can make these strong declarations about how everyone in the game behaves is pretty much at odds with âyeah, I havenât been around for a few years, and only got back like six months agoâ.
If I was gone for the game for 2+ years, I sure as hell wouldnât be trying to tell other people what the current crop of new players does or doesnât do.
Sâall Iâm sayinâ.
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I donât see how. Itâs not like Iâm posting on an NPC-corped alt with no combat history whatsoever. Actually, zKill is only showing less than a third of the kills on this character (and corporation as a whole), and Squizz told me Iâd have to post the rest manually. And Iâm lazy.
I talked about this elsewhere, but for context: Iâve done a whole lot of infiltration on targets for extortion. Pretending to be a new player and sitting in those corporations gave me a lot of perspective on their playing and spending habits. New players do not rush to monetarily invest into the game, with the exception of a small percentage that tries to pay their way to success. But most PLEX purchasing, in high-sec corporations with a high new player presence, is not done by those new players.
I donât think I said that. What I did say is that they are, but shouldnât be.
But Iâve played for a few months now, and so far, Iâm not seeing any major differences with regard to player psychology compared to how things were back then.
Right, right⌠2+ years ago, So for about half the time citadels have been in, you werenât there, and werenât infiltrating the newbie corps.
Oops. Looks like yâdid say that.
Ok, so in the last few months, youâd extensively infiltrated massive numbers of new player orgs? I mean, I donât think you did. Thereâs a fair number of new player orgs that wouldnât let you in, because they actually want to know the people they play with first.
Edit to add: Thereâs a fair number of new-player-focused corps that are actively part of massive nullsec orgs, giving players a taste of the advantages of structure ownership. Iâm assuming youâre not talking about those.
I think youâre misunderstanding my point. Desire often conflicts with ability. New players want to own structures, but thatâs usually a long-term goal for them. Iâve done this a few times since I started playing early spring, and citadels usually dominated corporate discussions and planning. They work toward citadel ownership, but not all are able to achieve it. Their access to citadels almost exclusively comes from the older players providing said access.
I donât think youâll be able to find a point of contention with the claim that new players donât have billions of ISK lying around.
Just a couple so far (about half a dozen). Iâm not extremely active right now.
Groups with proper security arenât good targets. If theyâre competent enough to keep me out, theyâre probably competent enough to drive away a small group of attackers, too.
But such groups arenât very common.
Correct, Iâm not. But then again, they donât fit this discussion anyway. They are highly militarized, competent organizations, and the additional costs that quantum cores will place upon them will be insignificant.
Unless, as weâve seen way too many do over the years, theyâre wallet-warrioring, using PLEX to get a lot of ISK in an effort to âcatch upâ or jump start their progress.
Some do, yes. In fact, Iâve recently seen some pretty crazy stuff, like a 3-day-old player losing multiple Navy Dominixes with mining lasers to Trig patrols levels of crazy. But only a small amount of new players will approach the game that way compared to the total new player population. Most contemporary new players approach EVE from a F2P perspective, and in the F2P world, something like 2% does 98% of the paying.
But hey, even if someone wants to blow money on this game to set up a station right away, thatâs kind of on them. Theyâre willing spenders, so why should we be concerned about quantum cores in that regard? Let them feed the economy.
In the wake of Korean localization, we saw that âsmall amountâ jump up pretty well.
@Arrendis any way then we can suggest he take a year off âŚgo sit in Fiji on a beachâŚleave the Devâs the hell alone.
I donât get a kill in four days, and I start getting âholy â â â â , Brisc undockedâ jokes from Horde guys in local.
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And thatâs when you hit 'em with the âI was killing your momma with my alt yesterday.â
So rather than kill two birds with one stone by making asset safety part of the drop mechanic where hangars have a 20% chance of going into a loot bucket (even online strux) and following the ship drop mechanic, youâre going to make all structures double the price? Not everyone is wealthy and in the case of refineries, the moon mineral prices have dropped significantly already, making them less likely to break even or profit already.
I guess youâll have to address all the loot drop theft whining that will happen again as well since all but XL can be scooped by a DST or smaller.
⌠and they purposely forgot about w-space, and the back-pedaling on that is just a ruse for the benefit of the Eve community.
It is all carefully planned and strategized.
There is no issue with people attacking larger then small structures? Anything bigger then small already drops a lot and seems to be worth the trouble. What happened to abandoned? This seems pretty ridiculous. And how do you get cores into WHs that you built your structures in because of owning it for so long and holes are too small for larger ships to get through. Way to punish WH again.
Iâd be okay with upping the price to get into structures, but you have to roll back the nerf on them and double the building inputs, not this. Why would the counsel think this was a good idea?
Because it is. It provides incentive to destroy structures, and conflict is content. The only people itâs a problem for are the PvE-only farmers who donât belong in EVE.