So you expect CCP to be able to read people’s minds and determine who has “good intent” and who doesn’t?
Why are you Onlining a structure with hostiles present?
Why are you unable to maintain grid control after destroying a structure?
Good, garbage doesn’t deserve to own structures that should originally have been beyond their capabilities.
lmao, bargain harder, kid
He did afford it. So did we.
This is like buying a car, and then two years later, the government says “Look, we let you buy the car, and you paid tax at the time. We notice you bought a five-seater, and you have a 4-person family. We’re reducing your registration to allow you to carry only TWO people in the car at any time - unless you buy this extra one-off item from us at the same value as you originally paid for the car, and then you can carry your family again”.
Would you tell the family that they should have saved up double the value of the car when they bought it two years ago, and paid the relevant govt taxes/fees to do so, only to have the utility of it grossly cut later?
Fantastic, do this (the quantum cores thing) to new structures. But existing structures should either get one free (make it unsellable or unusable outside of the original deployment if you want to keep ISK out of the market) or at a substantial discount, and then require the full cost item for new deployments. Why punish existing owners who just followed the rules when they acquired their existing structures?
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With a 100% drop rate, this only leads to a farming of small corps and alliances, because of their structures, especially in the High Sec.
It also penalizes actively used structures, which are an excellent ISK sink over fuel.
Instead of introducing this mechanic, which does not increase fun in any way, introduce an NPC sold raw material for the production of fuel blocks. This results in a real ISK sink, and this stuff has to be moved from high/low into null wich creates content.
post-shower EDIT: We already have such a thing, at least for the High Sec. Its called //Faction// Starbase Charter, lets make them more expensive in the LP store, and the 0.0 needs Concord ones, so we dont even need to add them into the fuel bpos.
Edit2: https://old.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/il3ww6/quantum_cores_will_kill_high_sec_or_how_isk_sinks/
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No, but I don’t expect them to punish everyone because some people did the wrong thing. This is going to have an incredibly unbalanced impact on the small operator, and almost no impact on the big corps/alliances.
Agreed
What does this even mean?
No, this is like playing a video game, knowing full well the developers can and do change the game as they deem necessary. Come up with false equivalences harder, kid.
YES THIS! Thank you for poignantly putting into words the entire sentiment I’ve felt with this. Why is my small low-class wormhole corp that we’ve held onto for years, been bashed and burned by bigger corps to Hell and back, getting collectively punished because huge kspace alliances can’t behave? We can afford the core for one Astrahus, sure, but if we ever want to rebuild our industrial capacities it’ll be a huge sink of ISK rather than just over a billion for a basic Raitaru setup.
Im waiting for the final iteration of citadels…
The new quantum core after being installed for “1y 0m 0d 0s” begins glowing hot white and slowly melts the citadel and reforms into a POS 2.0 with better code.
Then balance will be restored to the force.
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The main thing is that it doesn’t fix the problem that it’s claiming to be a solution for
Then in addition, it partially re-creates a problem that the wardec HQ feature was supposed to fix (excessive war spamming)
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Because onlining is a 24hr process and I don’t have a crystal ball. I cannot honestly say what hostiles will be present… And neither can you.
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Because there’s always a bigger fish.
Smaller alliances, smaller scale PvP corps, Faction warfare corporations and alliances… They’re all getting out there into those more dangerous parts of space - and that is great for the health of this game. They need to anchor Citadels as a base of operations with (what was) a guaranteed level of security.
In some sense the always are fighting beyond their capabilities - and the last thing they need is some Sociopathic Goonswarm FC who’s gonna take a dump on them with 1000+ ‘goon-bots’ in fleet.
They took a fair bet on the table - and now CCP is changing the odds… It’s a ‘bait and switch’ and people have a right to be irritiated about it. So, if you can’t provide constructive input Scoots_Choco please GTFO of this thread!
I bargain with my money. If CCP don’t make the sort of game I want to play - I don’t give them $$$. That’s why this account is in Alpha state.
I’m sorry, but what’s the phone number and mailing address for the Iceland consumer protection service? This is like buying a car only to get told several years later, sorry you only bought the body, not the engine that’ll be another $200 on top of the 30 you already spent. Thanks though for choosing Conspicuoisly Criminalish Patchmakers.
I don’t like this change. The effect is, that the rich get richer and the poor has less chance to get some piece of the cake.
So second effect is, that smaller groups have only the chance to join a big alliance or they will be meaningless.
This change is born in the head of a bored very rich player in a nig alliance, which is slightly disturbed from citadells from small corps.
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It’s not, but it’s adorable that you think it is.
Anyway, their number is: (+354) 540 9100
Their address is: Bjargargata 1, 102 Reykjavík, Iceland
Also, since many structure owners are medium-small corps who (practically) cannot defend their station against the people who would try to take the cores, it will turn (most of) those hisec wars into high-pay low-risk PVE sites for most of the corps who actually want to do them.
Of course, the common saying applies that probably people who can’t defend them shouldn’t own them, but this really takes it into the realm that only the super rich+strong groups can reasonably own them at all …
Which would be fine if CCP said “we don’t think structure ownership should be for just anybody who can afford them” - BUT - if that’s the case then why have M-size stations which are supposedly intended for use by small-to-medium groups?
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Adapting this change to all of the space domains (High, Low, Null, WH) will create inequality. I live in Low-sec, and I find the change too harsh: the Low forces’ main source of income is mining lunar resources and production through FW bonuses, but they feel they earn less than Null-sec. Of course this is also true of the low class WH forces.
What the CCPs need to do is make Quantum Core in an amount that is tailored to their respective space domains.
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And you put any form of credibility into what this individual says? You are even more out of your mind than I thought before.
Your “69ing” structures have always died to locals once they were not used anymore. Nothing new about that and certainly nothing unusual. Your point is invalid.
IF they added small Flex citidels as an option for small/med corps. And if they made these a player made item, perhaps using a TON of underused ore or WH gas. I could see this being a positive change. But right now its all take and no give for players. Yes PvPers get an actual reward for a long structure grinds and that is needed.
But PvEers need a reason to keep citidels in service now. I know corps already evacing everything, and this may lead to a situation where the cores are more expensive then the citidels themselves.
I like the idea of a redeamable token for structure bashing. I like the idea of rewarding structure cleanup. but the way it is as stated is barely an isk sink, because unless killed in a ship they have a 100 percent drop rate.
Add small subcap citadels, make the cores player made, and make the core serve a purpose and this change will be pretty good.
Risk / reward possibilities for small groups. Settings up citadells in 0.0, was a possibility (big alliances don’t like to shoot them all → effort) This will be changed.
Sleeping carebears in orcas have nothing to do with this change.
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it says right there fifty cubic kilometers. (50km)^3 not 50k m^3
It will be hilarious.