I’m Canadian, so some french expressions may get woven in from time to time
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Which it may be. I’m simply pointing out that by glossing over that part in the reply I quoted you are essentially ignoring the actual complaints. For a CSM member it is at least bad optics to just ignore it IMO.
I tend to agree in EVE you need to be able to defend what you anchor. But I also understand especially in HS this can be very difficult especially with the nature of wardecs and such.
I would hope this could spur some “meta” where HS small groups figure out how to band together to help with mutual defense, but I doubt this will happen.
I’m not ignoring anything - I’m reading all of this stuff and I’m going to bring it up.
Like I said before, I’m not defending these changes and I’m still processing what I think about them.
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All good. It is especially tough with a thread going at warp speed.
[edit] thanks for being engaged at all.
Why does bashing a structure need a payout, are you planning on removing killmails to kill boardrs so that people stop bashing targets that can’t defend just for a fat kill mail against a target that cannot defend themselves?
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I mean, it would be, if TEST were to actually invade… right now it’s about the same as last year’s Tribute glassing1.
But I don’t think you can really say the large blocs will be ‘equally or more affected by this change’, Brisc. Sure, it’s going to cost us a few trillion to core up all our stuff, but I have no doubt we’ll be able to do it on anything that’s still intact in four months. The things that aren’t, we won’t need to spend money on.
At the same time, smaller groups with more ad hoc logistics (because there’s fewer people who can dedicate their efforts that way) will have a ■■■■■ of a time getting these things out to places like Great Wildlands, etc. At least, compared to us. GSOL’s a well-oiled machine, after all, and I have complete confidence in their ability to move these things when and where needed.
But hey, if this does cut down on the structure spam throughout null, the other large groups might end up consolidating more, and reducing their footprint down to something more reasonable. Who knows, PanFam might slim down to only controlling eight regions.
Have you ever ground through 100 structures in a single month? That’s 300 actual attacks, if they’re all undefended. It gets old, pretty quick. (also, lol killboarders).
1. I mean, except for the fact that they haven’t cleared all of Fountain yet, and it’s already taken twice as long. But you know what I mean.
To kill a structure, you’re investing a lot of time and energy, and you should be rewarded for that effort with something more than a killmail. All of these structures have defenses.
Coming from a guy who’s in ****ing test alliance you have no clue how it is to be in a small corp or alliance trying to make a decent living. You have endless isk pits so you really couldn’t possibly understand the predicament this puts small corporations in.
Let’s take an example here, the bashing of the keepstar in KVN a few days ago, with TEST finally fielding their titans and supercaps. From the battle report it is quite clear the structure was not defended. The Imperium and allies did not show up (not under the umbrella of course), and only a few Dracarys pilots were around to shoot a few targets of opportunity. Would the Imperium and allies show up because of a quantum core ? Does the quantum core really weigh in on the potential losses in a titan/super fleet encounter (besides the value of the keepstar) ? Keepstars are of course defended because of their strategic importance on the map, if tactically possible.
Just like the magic wand (entosis) of 2015, the magic ball of 2020 (quantum core) will not be a driver in nullsec, just an extra cost for the defender, not an incentive to defend in the example above. Or am I overlooking something ?
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I lost a Tatara and a carrier, plus my corp mates lost ships too, that was about an 8-9bil loss for nothing more than a killmail, giving toxic players incentive is just gravy and you are poisoning the game for players that want to make an honest living
Exactly there it is. The core problem of a Safezoner. Just exchange “cannot” for “does not want to”.
You guys want all the nice bits, but you don’t want to have any risk. Risk is for the other people, but not you. Right?
That’s the biggest bovine waste I have read in ages. No one attacks a Keepstar just because it’s the biggest thing or an enticing target. No one has ever randomly attacked a Keepstar because it is an “enticing target”. No one does that because attacking a Keepstar always means an unrewarding, uninteresting, unresponsive client and generally atrocious gameplay experience. As for spamming: TEST just spammed Keepstars to create a save passage way for supers and titans around Delve, Delve spams Keepstar in all sorts of places, including 5 in the same system just for lols.
Do I have to continue demonstrating just how clueless and ignorant this individual is?
Agreeing with a Geten post. What times are we living in. But if you have developers like CCP Rattati, it’s no wonder that things like that happen.
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I’ve been in Null a few times and been in alliances a few times…It didn’t work out, so we wanted to be independent, but CCP doesn’t want that. If i could pull a 50 pilot defense fleet out of my butt, I’d be more than happy to stand up, so i could to that
Seriously, since when is a Keepstar an “enticing” target?..Do you actually think the roamers jump unsuspecting Keepstars?..or expect anyone to believe that
I’m gonna take a tiny bit of issue with this claim. TEST clearly had a strategic purpose behind those keeps. I don’t expect those keeps are rigged, or that they intend to keep them there once they no longer need them. So they’re not ‘spam’. They serve a distinct purpose that no smaller structure and no NPC station could have served.
As for ‘Good Guy to the Left’ and ‘Bad Guy to the Right’… there’s a case to be made that naked displays of ostentatious wealth and power during wartime—especially for propaganda purposes—also comes under the heading of ‘distinct purpose no smaller structure and no NPC station could have served’.
Now, when we get to 20-30 Keeps in 1DQ1-A… yeah, that might be time to switch to Spam Lite™.
Yes, but only while they’re still in the freighters? 
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Better sell off those ice product stock piles soon cause fuel prices are about to tank. Lower demand + unused fuel from unanchored structures getting reposted are about to ruin ice mining for everyone in all levels of sec security.
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Interesting thought that. That also means that the swarms of orca’s in hisec ice fields could become a thing of the past, with less need to renew subs on alt accounts to fly them.
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You may take that issue, I don’t accept it. Keepstars were intended to be singular entities that even the biggest groups should not be able to flaunt around like carriers. Yet here we are where you can place a disposable highway of Keepstars to “strategically circumnavigate a region” and to make super and titan travel less risky. And here we are where a group places Keepstars on an already structure ladden grid which cause massive lag when you enter the system, on top of that they do it in the shape of a dick.
You may not see this as spam. I see it as spam and I see it as a big issue that this spam is possible at all and that QC won’t prevent it. Where are the rightful claims that titan and super travel should be difficult? Where are the number limits on structures per region/constellation/system so that you actually have to fight to free up slots if someone spammed structures to close these slots?
This would create actual fights and the necessity to fight over structures. Who cares if there are no services as long as you can dock? CCP just doesn’t get this and it shows every time they try to change something with regards to structures. CCP is negligently disingenuous as always when it comes to their lack of following-through with actions.
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So, 0.1% of their SRP wallet
Already done
Right, they will lose another 0.1% of their SRP wallet.
You are correct there, a 1-5% drop in income is hyper bad for the super krabs.
Nothing is stopping independent entities that share space or interest from forming an informal coalition if they dont want to ally up.
Maybe not to directly defend in person but to collectively fund for defense by mercs for example. Or team up as industrialists to supply a PVP oriented alliance with discounts and in exchange have PVP support when needed.
There’s always an option.
Problem is: 90% of small highsec corps are just too damn lazy to even think about a solution and bring silly excuses like “we can’t PVP” or “we too small” instead. It’s exactly this ■■■■ every time safezoners are afraid one of their toys might be in danger.
Truth is: they don’t want to be bothered with anything, they actively reject the idea of PVP at all, for them defending themselves is some weird concept for weird people, but they want all the nice ■■■■ the big boys got anyways.
Whats left to these perma-victims is crying on the forums in hope mommy CCP comes to blow on the wound.