The wardec cost isn’t the ante.
The War HQ structure the aggressor has to deploy is the ante.
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Declaring war is a choice, and if you choose to do so, the cost of the hunting license is your choice to make. Don’t ever try to make it sound like a hardship you have to bear
It’s not. It’s the cost of doing business in highsec.
But it is true that a group declaring war has to put one of these structure token antes in space just as their target does. This is all fine and proper, after all, the wardeccers too are gaining a benefit from that structure.
“oh noooo the core is so much more than that isk cost it takes to declare a war, noooooooooo”
why is this even an argument?
if people are declaring war with the intent of getting that core, congrats, we’ll have more rapid fire wars that pop up, fight over a structure, and then end once the target’s corporation’s structures are gone.
we already have people who declare war and don’t actually engage in structure bashing because their goal is to attack autopiloting lazy corp members and afk miners. in those cases, the structures will be fine unless the wardeccers suddenly and magically decide “yeah, we’re gonna switch from our usual MO and start bashing timezone tanked structures”.
Except that one structure’s amortized over all of the wars that structure is the HQ for. At least one wardec corp I’ve seen has put over 100 wars on the same structure. So really, 1% of the ante?
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I remember a while back when they changed the wardec mechanics, one of the CCP’s mentions that it was the same small groups of people accounted for 50% of the wardecs and in only 4% of the wars, the defender won. So again, the risk vs reward arguement is BS
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This just sweetens the pot for wardecer’s and throws a monkey into an already broken machine
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I think a lot of people are about to win Eve with this change.
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Probably, but i think far more will lose. I hope the PK demographic can pay CCP’s bills, because that may be all the have by the end of Feb 2021
i’m gonna put this on my calendar and remind myself to check back next year
done
Edit: looks like a snowflake was triggered, lmao
Please do, I will be curious to see how accurate my prediction is
change that to end of February, not the first
Oh, and BTW, i worked for Apple tech support as a senior tech, for over a decade, I’ve been called far worse than “moron” by people far stupider than me in that time.
Again, no. The cost is per structure. If 100 groups want to call them on that bet they can and likely certainly win the stake as happened to PIRAT several times before they imploded. If a single group wants to take that on themselves they also can and if successful, the aggressor loses all benefits of that structure including all the wars, along with the ante.
This is not a hard concept. It is an unrefined, brass tacks conflict driver. I mean, feel free to quibble with the numbers or the ratio of benefit to risk, but it isn’t like it is difficult to see where CCP is coming from on this.
You want to deploy something? You now need to put something on the table the other guy can take home.
I haven’t look recently, but it was made even worse after the change. Now almost all wars are declared by 2-3 groups, and they have equally as lopsided kill-death ratios. I imagine raising the bar with this mandatory token before a group can declare war is going to consolidate this even more.
However, some big fights have happened over War HQs which is something I guess and many have been lost. Probably though, the war system needs a more fundamental re-work, and I am not sure just forcing everyone to have more chips on the table is the best way to stimulate conflict. I’ll guess we’ll all see.
I wonder if CCP will ever realize that the reason they have to try so hard to force conflict is because the landscape is stabilizing and fewer people and fewer people want it?
Don’t be dense. The wardec corps use the same structures, over and over, to attack targets the know are too weak to fight back. The number of times they lose their HQ is negligible, compared to the number of wars they’ve used it for. Adding the core price to that isn’t going to matter, especially when the defenders’ cores will just make things even more profitable for them.
It very much does. The changes CCP made in the last overhaul served more to mask issues than solve them.
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Hurts the small groups with no effect on the large groups but Rube Goldberg would be happy.
Yes but your problem is those games your referring to the items are purchased from a ingame cashshop for money.
Plex and its usages are what you purchase In eve. Buying a plex selling it and using that isk for a citadel. Doesnt make ccp liable in anyway. Because your not buying the isk your buying the plex. So good luck with that
Again, I’m not a legal guy, but this seems more like ordering a steak at a restaurant, and then half way through your meal, they take your steak away and give you a salad. Then they tell you that of you want your steak back, you have to pay an increased price and fight the security staff to get back what you already had
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