Question


(Trixie Lawless) #1

So for the past few days we have had this pilot that likes to belt rat in our npc null system, and the low-sec system right next to us. We keep blowing up his terribad catalyst and podding him. Last night, after escaping my jackdaw’s clutches of death, he convo’d me and started griping about how he was a newbro and there is no honor in exploding him. I responded with there is no such thing as honor or fair fights in EVE. Of course his tears and salt started to pour.

So I ask my fellow capsuleers, do you think there should be an unspoken honor code in EVE?

I personally say no, unless a 1v1 is agreed to, and even then it’s iffy. I hope you all say no as well, because I don’t want muh feels to be conflicted for hunting this newbro down and podding him as many times as possible.


(Ima Wreckyou) #2

Of course there is a Code:


(Trixie Lawless) #3

Smooooth


(Durhur Atruin) #4

Wow. That’s some next-level trolling going on there. I’m actually kind of impressed.


(Lady Ayeipsia) #5

The problem is… If you coddle the newbie and by extension others with an honor code, you set them up to die horribly when some one decides to not use the same code.

For example, if you say players younger than 6th months may use our system… Well… When some roam passes through and kills the newbs, they will be easy prey as they don’t learn to run.

All that said, I do believe there is an unwritten honor code in eve but it is not exactly a behavioral code. It isn’t about shooting the new guy or not. Rather it seems that when people politely ask for help, eve players are happy to point where that help can be gained.

In other words, burn them all,but when they politely ask how do I prevent being burned, be ready to help them learn.


(Sol epoch) #6

I say no to starting a sentence with “So”


(Trixie Lawless) #7

So that gets under your skin?


(yellow parasol) #8
  • it’s not enforcable
  • at current times, the whiny, self righteous and delusional hog the idea of honour

Therefor: Nope. We can have honour again, when it’s worth something. as long as honourless people keep hogging the term, there is no point to it.


(yellow parasol) #9

That’s correct and how it always has been, though dare i say that those who cry bloody noob murder aren’t like this at all.


(Trixie Lawless) #10

I gave the guy pointers and tried telling him about d-scan, but he acted as if the one hunting was responsible for the safety of the one being hunted, and that since i was in a jackdaw and him in a catalyst, I was breaking some mystical honor code of honor. He also kept co paring EVE to real life and implying I was probably a horrible person in my day to day goings.

Was just wondering if other pilots thought there was one, as my corp doesn’t follow a code or set of rules outside of 1v1 stays 1v1 if agreed upon at thr start of the fight.


(Ima Wreckyou) #11

There is no point in talking to such people. They only understand antimatter applied to the face.

That’s how it always was. If the guy is curious you help him and answer his questions or even invite him to the corp. If not you scam him out of his money, destroy all his stuff and pod him back to highsec.


(Trixie Lawless) #12

You wanna get space-married?


(Giddy McFee) #13

I am normally the one getting killed, but on the occasions that I have killed someone, or some fate has befallen someone I do offer them advise so they understand what happened and potentially why, If they are new I may give a little bit of isk too. But if they take the knowledge and learn from it they will become (hopefully) a better player in terms of understanding why things happen.


(yellow parasol) #14

they think differently than you do. there’s actually a wealth of information about these people out there on the internet, or in my posting history. :stuck_out_tongue:

they can’t differentiate the game from real life, because the game affects their feelings and therefore is real. there’s apparently no limit to this, one example being some guy who “suffered” from an afk cloaker, declaring “he prevents me from undocking” (actual quote), as if he really prevented him from clicking the button.

they live in a position of the perpetual victim. the world has to adapt to them, and there is no argument you can bring, which can convince them otherwise. for them, facts are offensive, when these facts clash with their worldview. people on this forum endlessly argue with them, believing it brings any good, while it actually legitimizes the behaviour of the emotional thinkers, attracting more and more of them.

It’s the mindset of a totalitarian. a clash of ideologies, and there is no way you can talk about evil shenanigans, when you meet someone who is like this. all that helps is trying to get rid of them. i kid you not. it’s the first obvious sign of the dystopian future people have been talking about at least since “1984”.

there. that’s a tldr.

PS: there are quite a few on the forums, in case you want to take a closer look. you’ll find them.


(Forseti Valkyrie) #15

In a thread referring to Null, Lowsec and honor, there is no place for CODE. to post.


(Mayhaw Morgan) #16

Why not a spoken honor code?

ARE you a horrible person? Does the idea of being a horrible person bother you in some way?


(yellow parasol) #17

A trick question. Nice. Did you learn that from a professional? this is what a psychologist would ask. Do you really think no one would notice?

The only horrible people i see around here, are those who bitch and moan about people playing the game as intended. those who treat us, as if all of us were truly evil people. those who call us sociopaths. those who use lies and deception, and those who will never stop arguing even when shown statistics, or proofs, or the words of the game’s very own developers.

they are those who can’t seperate game from reality, because they don’t see their own feelings as their own responsibility. they are the same who would not hesitate hurting us, for shooting their space pixels. the same who flee from reality into a game, turning it into their better lives. they, who believe in righteousness. they, who threaten our families, our children or our own lives. they, who want total removal of everyone who somehow disturbs their emotional comfort.


(Mayhaw Morgan) #18

There’s no “trick” to it. A psychologist, a psychiatrist, a lawyer, a detective, a good manager, a good parent, a philosopher, etc. might ask such a question to get a reaction because a reaction tells us about the person doing the reacting. Some people might refer to it as “empiricism”. We can’t know about “reality” unless we interact with it, and in ways that illuminate its latent aspects.

Here you are basically admitting to a sense of honor. Honor, to you, is accepting what happens to your character in the game as having nothing to do with the reality in which that game is based. To you, people who experience “real” grief over what happens on the game field during the course of the game are not acting as they SHOULD.

That’s a sense of honor. To you, these others are behaving dishonorably, justifying your “real” contempt for them.

Are we on the same page, yet?


(Bjorn Tyrson) #19

Eve is harsh, eve is cruel, and if you find yourself in a fair fight. Someone on one side or the other screwed up. (1v1 at the sun excluded because that’s just for shits and giggles)


(Loutro Fift) #20

Honor? Where? IRL…not that I’ve seen.
Honor? In new eden…not that I’ll give

IRL and in Eve…you get what you work for. Self reliance is a thing