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Capsuleer. What’s your favourite target/victim?

That’s a good question yellow. I would have to say the one I can catch. But if you mean my preferred targets, I would have to say miners.

I’ve been a miner. I know how depressing it is to run out of Netflix shows. Every miner I gank makes me feel like I just saved a soul.

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Altruism and honor are two very different things.

I wouldn’t say “very different”. Adhering to some sort of code of honor (whatever it may be) is an altruistic behavior. It’s just that some people only pretend to be “honorable” to game the circumstance they find themselves in (in EVE or in life). They don’t truly believe in the code or the cause of civilization. They only use it to further their aims and they abandon it when it is convenient to do so. We might call such people “villains”.

Honor is a sort of middle ground between selfish and selfless behavior, a way to mitigate the damage totally selfish action can do to a society while still preserving the individual impetus that is the lifeforce of a society. You can’t have a society with monkies raping and beating eachother over the head whenever they feel like it and you can’t have a society (that we know of) without monkies that want to rape and beat eachother over the head. So, there should be rules by which we may rape and avoid being raped and by which we may beat eachother over the head and avoid being beaten over the head. Of course it is not important to us when we are the ones in the dominant position, when there is no benefit to us, and that is exactly what makes it altruistic in my mind.

Behaving honorably because you have no choice is not what I would consider to be “honor”. It’s just surviving. And behaving dishonorably just because you can, in my mind, does not mean there is no such thing as “honor” or that we shouldn’t behave accordingly. It just means that we can and do.

“History teaches us that men and nations will behave wisely when they have exhausted the alternatives.”

My cousin is altruistic and I’m starting to find this offensive.

You keep using that word. I don’t think it means what you think it means.:face_with_raised_eyebrow:

He’s probably a bad fit for Eve.

so will the welsh

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Keep shooting him until he learns how to spell “definitive”.

Help those who ask, or are in need… punish those who whine and complain.

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Mind if I quote you on my bio yellow?

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I’d feel honoured. :slight_smile:

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Explain to him that mining in your Sov space without permission is essentially stealing from your alliance. You can offer pointers or even buy a few ships for him if he is that broke. The best thing to do would be to invite him into your alliance and teach the newbro some of the things you’ve learned over the years you’ve played. This of course would mean they are willing to learn. If not, teach him the “other” way.

It’s probably worth mentioning at this point that since “honor” is a critical aspect of what makes a group and holds it together, then ATTACKING that “honor” is probably a good way to destabilize, subjugate, or even destroy that group.

Since groups are a very formidable strategy for individuals to protect and enable themselves, if you want to subjugate or destroy individuals who are a part of some sort of group, then, destabilizing, subjugating, or even destroying their group is probably a good start.

Some groups have very robust honor systems that resist attack and even compel true believers to counter-attack. (Christians used to burn heretics at the stake, for instance.) In such instances, it may even be necessary to attack the very idea that there is such a thing as honor . . . if you want to control or destroy those groups.

This strategy is sometimes referred to as “political nihilism” (which is an ironic misnomer). Sun Tzu probably alluded to it with his statement about all war being based on deception. Things like psychological warfare and propoganda are applications of this theory. In the modern sense, a person named John Boyd coined the term “moral war” to describe it as one aspect of real-world, actual war.

Simply put: Destroy their people. Destroy their things. DESTROY THEIR IDEAS. Protect your people. Protect your things. PROTECT YOUR IDEAS.

CCP’s marketing team described an application of the theory as follows: “Break that trust and you break the alliance.” It could just as easily have been stated as “Break that honor and you break their group.”

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You did understand that I was referring to a specific environment? And yes, it was like that, at least between entities that mattered. It also made sense that way. Don’t scale down and you don’t get a fight this time, wipe your enemy out and you won’t get a fight next time.

Hell, I would like to make that an unofficial motto of Operation Magic School Bus

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Do it! :smiley:

( just give credits :stuck_out_tongue: :slight_smile: )

Now i feel even more honoured. :blush:

thanks. :blush:

I disagree.

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