It’s not worth the copy/paste
@abandonship try this:
Poster is basically claiming the… welll TLDR is next below me.
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TLDR:
CCP is ■■■■ at detecting bots technically. - Most important point. Most of the people/alliances involved have been highlighted by the community earlier, repeatedly.
With 10 supe?carrier bots, made about 450bn /month
Got smart, made Gila bot, technically can make 6 trillion a month and dont give a ■■■■ if they’re hunted down.
Formed Botting empire by buying Feythebolis from TEST for 500bn downpayment and 200bn rent monthly from botting income. Doesn’t know if TEST is aware that it’s all botting A to Z.
Omist is also botting land
Dont play much anymore, so ■■■■ you everyone, contacted Pandemics (not sure Legion or Horde or both) to hunt all of the botters down.
Will drive down Plex prices
PIRATES are funded by botting money too (we knew they were utterly incompetent, now we know they’re also cheaters, put’s em even below FCON and SMA).
Will TEST defend the botters, their botting backed adm sovs in Fey and Omist? He is intrigued and is asking that are you?
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We still have idiots who continue to scream “DIS IS LIE, EVERYBODY LIES, THERE ARE NO BOTS, XIX/KWG/POSTANYALIANCE DON’T DO RMT”. I didn’t think there are going to be that huge amount of brainless people
Never underestimate the stupid of people in large groups.
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CCP actually made a content not easily botable, Its abyss.
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It is an incredibly difficult challenge. And for the most part CCP is on the right track. If you create content and mechanisms which do not cater to automation, ideally also stimulate not even going down that road as a player, that is a huge part of dealing with botting as a problem present. Take note of Abyssmal Space, for example.
The complication is that all of that is just a subset of the actual problem. In truth, the impact (direct and derivative - EVE functions because it is a pressure vat of human behaviour after all) of applied organisation of the problem and its prevalence dwarfs the impact of the individual level of the problem by orders of magnitude. But not just statistically.
CCP does care. They always do, it is their livelyhood after all.
That said, if your statistics provide a clear picture on A, you will focus on A. If your decision process only supports room for that analysis, you will never see B, at best a variation of A.
That does not mean they do not care. On the contrary, I’d wager that this is a topic (as in challenge) which challenges CCP very much. And not just because it costs them.
The forums however are simply not the place for any such discussion. There is no more room for any such thing. CCP made a conscious decision at one point to stimulate fragmentation of communication channels even if this meant a certain impact on variables of community constructs. Today I doubt any young and active player even knows the references to that, so there isn’t much point in exploring that. Suffice to say that CCP has sheltered itself from feedback processes that can - quite easily - serve to offset strict technical approaches because some of CCP became rather visible because of such processes.
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The logs… they show nothing.™
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Things that make you go hmmm.
Cutting back staff, officially selling gold, ignoring official forums, letting bots run rampant, etc.
Yeah. There’s a problem here and all I see is people pushing their way through that big, thick forest to find their favorite tree to rant about. Take a step back, people. Look at the big picture.
Bots a problem? Yep. One of the many. Will fixing bots fix this game? Not in the least.
I guess it’s the human condition to argue the minutia while the whole thing goes to ■■■■. But it’s sad to watch a game I used to love tank and people still arguing over nothing that will help it in the long run. Myopic gameplay is myopic posting.
Mr Epeen 
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I can at least give you some information in terms of Test, Kids with Guns alliance pay people not to roam in their regions, Test is given ISK not to disrupt them, so accept it as do a number of others. The other day two of them turned up in one of our systems and they were +5 to me, they then attacked one of my alliance mates when we had them +5, so immediate reset and kabooom.
We were rather happy with the re-set, but for some reason they confused us with another alliance and removed our +5, so under Test direction we had to put +5 back.
People do pay for alliances not to roam their space, does Test know that they are bots, I could not answer that, but I would expect them to think that they are botting in part and expect CCP to deal with it.
So in effect they are a sort of renter alliance that pays protection money, the question is how do you deal with this, you can’t just say Test is sanctioning botting, they have a neighbor who pays them not to roam.
They are a very well known and well established botting alliance - TEST know damn well where their isk is coming from, but that is no different to the other power blocs who have known botting renters… just that kids bankroll Pirat - and that is more visible… (and as pointed out, establish a long time ago).
Very much so, but do we assume that all of them are botters? That is one of the issues with this. And by the way, my alliance would love to go blow them up, in fact we started to do it and then were told to +5 them due to this protection deal.
As a nulsec entity, yes… members may, or may not be using bots, but the alliance is run with botting income as its ‘raison d’être’…
Well I hope CCP clears them out whole sale.
If they could, and if they could work out where all the tendrils lead, that I expect would shake Eve to its foundations…
Bingo.
It is both sad and ironic that the most effective deterrent to botting in EVE may turn out to be the burn out and boredom of certain bot users finally causing them to to conclude that there is a life outside the game.
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This whole incident actually comes as a huge relief. For the longest time it was purported that Russian players were behind the majority of botting and RMT schemes in EVE. It’s refreshing to see that they’ve finally been vindicated with this story.
Did they responded with CCP default response yet,?
…I mean or reddit lol not here.
As I said, I’m just relieved they weren’t involved.
Notice CCP has completely ignored both this thread and the one on reddit. Just waiting for the fire to burn down. “If we don’t ackowledge it, it never happened!”.