“The around 6000€+ (600b) ingame value (money to plex to assets) I had accumulated, the most expensive thing I ever had, was apparently gone in 40 minutes. and 175b dropped.”
OP mentioned feelings or euros here about 500 posts ago?
Sure, I could pretend like you that there is no RMT, just like you did 
Both , it seems ?
Still what “were were discussing” is not the OP first post but the notion of value in mmos and the possibility to take pleasure from the idea of acquiring assets.
Meryn claims that, it’s not possible to give value to ingame assets and cited as a proof that there is no RMT.
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Also, I’d like to note for those of you watching that Anderson Geten wasn’t even clever enough to come up with the “ITS NOT MONETARY VALUE” nitpick on its own. It had plenty of opportunities to correct this supposed misunderstanding and say that it was talking about an emotional connection to in-game assets, not their monetary value or the monetary value of the time/cash required to replace them. But it did not do so until the OP posted about non-monetary value and it recognized another thing to nitpick over. It has no intelligence or interest in honest discussion, all it cares about is finding a way to declare victory and masturbate over its supposed superiority.
Stop lying. I said no such thing.
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Ok. Is it time for us to agree there was some misunderstandings?
I hope we can now respectfully view the situation from multiple angles ( monetary and feelings).
Stop lying. You explicitly mentioned monetary value of the assets and the time/cash required to replace them, not any emotional connection to OP’s in-game items.
Free time HAS monetary value. The free time investment he lost in the affair can only be re acquired by paying a huge amount of money into plex, into isk, and purchasing all those bpos again - or investing even more of his time, which is also a cost so it has monetary value.
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There wasn’t a misunderstanding. This is what Anderson Geten does, all it cares about is treating forum discussions as some kind of e-sport. It just saw the OP’s comment about non-monetary value and jumped on it as a way to “win” the e-sport, suddenly redefining all of its previous posts on the subject and declaring that anyone talking about monetary value is too stupid to understand their wisdom. It doesn’t care one bit about clarifying the supposed misunderstanding unless doing so involves its opponents admitting defeat.
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And still I explicitly stated after that, that the time you invest has value in the game. Which is not the same thing as “financial value”.
But I guess from someone who claim that there is no RMT in Eve, that’s too much logic to handle.
You will either produce a direct quote of me saying that there is no RMT in EVE or you will STFU with that idiotic lie.
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For those of you watching this exchange:
The idiot troll claimed that I said that there is no RMT in EVE, and quoted me saying that you can’t sell in-game assets for cash.
The idiot troll does not understand that this is not a denial of RMTing. RMTing just doesn’t involve selling in-game assets for cash. It involves paying a person to take certain in-game actions (specifically, transferring assets from one character to another), but at no point does ownership of those assets change.
I am not a religious person. But after reading this I will go to a local religious center and pray for the quality of the posts.
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Sure, there is no RMT in the game. People don’t propose to acquire resources in the game for money. Yea, it was obvious all this time !
Before the act of RMT: CCP owns all in-game assets.
After the act of RMT: CCP owns all in-game assets.
Exactly where in this sequence of events did assets change hands in exchange for cash?
Assets are bits, they can’t be taken in hands.
You may not transfer, sell or auction, or buy or accept any offer to transfer, sell or auction (or offer to do any of the foregoing), any content appearing within the Game environment, including without limitation characters, character attributes, items, currency, and objects, other than via a permitted Character Transfer as described in section 3 above.
Why did CCP write that ? there is no “sale of assets for cash” in Eve !
I like your world, it’s very naive. It allows you to claim that there is no RMT in Eve. If only all solutions could be fixed by creating problems this way !
Are you honestly so stupid that you don’t understand that “change hands” does not literally mean items being in physical hands?
Why does CCP put that ?
Because they are stating the indisputable fact that they own all in-game assets and you are not permitted to sell any of them. Nor are you capable of selling any of them. CCP has removed the entire concept from the realm of possibility.
Note that if in-game assets actually did have monetary value and were owned by the players then CCP could not do this. If I own something a third party (other than the state, of course) can’t block me from selling it. But CCP can declare all such sales invalid and there’s nothing you can do about it.
By saying it’s forbidden, they also admit it’s possible. Therefore you CAN sell items in eve for real money, even it it’s forbidden.
But I mean, one or more contradiction is nothing for you.
Yeah I know you are used to this, but refusing to see a problem does not make it disappear.
Yeah sorry to teach you the hard truth.
Nonsense. This part of the EULA says that sales are forbidden. Another part of the EULA says why sales are forbidden: you don’t own anything in EVE and have nothing to sell. It also exists because of the “or offer to do so” part of the statement, which covers people who claim to be selling assets even though they are not in fact selling anything.
And, again, if it was possible to sell items in EVE then CCP would have no legal right to prohibit players from doing so. The only reason they are able to put that in the EULA and enforce it is that you have nothing to sell.
no more blind than the one who does not want to see.
If something is not possible, then there is no point in forbidding it.
If it is explicitly forbidden, that means it’s possible.
So yes, it is possible to sell Eve assets for real money, and that’s why it’s forbidden.
You’re right. CCP, as the sole owner of all assets in EVE, could sell them for real money.
Players can not. STFU and read the EULA.
PS: lawyers will very often include scenarios that are impossible just to be sure that everything is covered and there are no loopholes to hide behind. Forbidding something twice just means that there are redundant bans.
Player can, otherwise it would not be forbidden.
STFU and learn logic instead of claiming that there is no RMT because players can’t sell ig assets for real cash , while CCP is literally saying it’s forbidden.
No they can’t. Selling an item requires that you own it first, and players own absolutely nothing in EVE.
claiming that there is no RMT
Stop lying. I said no such thing.